Monday, August 23, 1971
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MR. BUGLIOSI: The People call Deana Martin.
THE CLERK: Raise your right hand, please.
You do solemnly swear that the testimony you may give in the cause now pending before this court shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
THE WITNESS: I do.
DEANA MARTIN GUERIN,
called as a witness by the People, testified as follows:
THE CLERK: Take the stand and be seated.
Would you state and spell your name, please?
THE WITNESS: Dena Martin Guerin, D-e-a-n-a, M-a-r-t-i-n; G-u-e-r-i-n.
THE COURT: That is Mrs. Guerin, I take it?
THE WITNESS: Yes.
THE COURT: Your maiden name was Deana Martin?
THE WITNESS: Yes.
DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. BUGLIOSI:
Q: You are the daughter of Dean Martin, the singer?
Q: And the actor?
Q: Mrs. Guerin, do know an individual named Dennis Wilson?
Q: And were you ever at Mr. Wilson’s residence at 14400 Sunset Boulevard in West Los Angeles?
Q: Near Will Rogers Park?
Q: And did you ever attend a party at Mr. Wilson’s residence in July of 1968?
A: I am not sure if it was July or October, but I was there at a party, yes.
Q: And who was at the party with you?
A: Terry Melcher, Allen Warrnick, Annie Marshal, Gwen Wells, Peaches Marion Book, B-o-o-k -- did I say Gwen Wells?
THE COURT: Yes, you did.
THE WITNESS: And Dean Moorehouse and Greg Jacobson.
Q BY MR. BUGLIOSI: Did the party ever leave Dennis Wilson’s residence and proceed to the address 10050 Cielo Drive?
A: Yes, it did.
Q: Was Terry Melcher living at that address at that time?
A: Yes, he was.
Q: And you are aware that this is the address where Sharon Tate and her husband, Roman, later lived?
Q: What time of the day did it proceed to the Melcher residence, this party?
A: When it started to get dark -- 7:30, 8:00.
Q: Okay; and how long did the party continue on at the Melcher residence?
A: I’m not sure; about four hours while I was there.
A: I don’t know how long it went on after.
Q: Directing your attention to defendant Charles Watson, have you ever seen this man before?
A: I can’t be sure.
I show you people’s 36 for identification, a photograph.
Do you know who is shown in that photograph?
A: Looks more like -- looks more like him here, when I knew him.
Q: You say it looks more like him; about whom are you referring when you say “him”?
A: Charles Tex Watson.
Q: So this photograph to you looks like a photograph of Charles Tex Watson; is that correct?
Q: Now, this party in either July or October of 1968 that ended up at the Melcher residence, was Mr. Watson at that party?
A: At what residence?
Q: The Melcher residence.
It started out at Dennis Wilson’s residence, then it proceeded up to Terry Melcher’s at 10050 Cielo Drive.
Was the person shown in the photograph, Mr. Watson, was he at that party?
A: I can’t be too sure. It seems like he was.
He wasn’t at Dennis’ on Sunset, but I think that he was at Terry Melcher’s, I’m not that sure, though.
Q: He resembled the way he looks in the photograph here?
Q: In other words, he had long hair at the time?
Q: He did not have short hair like he does now?
A: No, much bigger.
Q: This individual whom you saw at Mr. Melcher’s residence, whom you think was Charles Watson, how tall was he?
A: Six two.
Q: Rather tall?
Q: And did this person identify himself by name?
Q: Did you know what his name was?
A: I knew of two Charlies.
Q: Who are these two Charlies?
A: Charles Manson and the other one, I only knew as “Charlie.”
I never spoke with him, though.
Q: So this man whom you say looks like the man shown in the photograph here, people’s 36, this man’s name, as far as you know, was Charlie?
A: To the best of my knowledge, yes.
Q: But it definitely was not Charles Manson?
A: No, it was not.
MR. BUGLIOSI: I have here another photograph, your Honor; may it be marked people’s next in order?
I think it is people’s 301 or 302.
THE COURT: The last we have is 301.
You want it marked 302?
MR. BUGLIOSI: Yes, your Honor.
Q: Showing you people’s 302 for identification, does this also appear to be a photograph of Mr. Watson?
MR. BUBRICK: Your Honor, I am going to object to that as being leading and suggestive.
MR. BUGLIOSI: I will withdraw it.
THE COURT: Sustained.
Q BY MR. BUGLIOSI: Showing you people’s 302 for identification, do you know who is shown in that photograph?
A: It would look more like Charles Watson than the man seated over there.
Q: And this looks like the gentleman who was at the Melcher residence at that party --
MR. KEITH: Object to the question --
Q BY MR. BUGLIOSI: -- in July or October of 1968?
A: Yes, sir.
MR. BUGLIOSI: No further questions.
CROSS EXAMINATION BY MR. KEITH:
Q: How well did you know Charles Manson?
A: I met him two times.
Q: Did you ever talk to him?
Q: At length?
A: Not really, no.
Q: Do you remember the substance of any of the conversations you had with Manson?
A: I remember him talking with a friend of mine, Allen Warrnick.
He and a few of his girlfriends were putting him down terribly, saying terrible things about him and I got very mad at him. I didn’t say anything to him.
Q: I am lost because you used “him,” rather than a name.
Q BY THE COURT: Who was being put down, Manson or Warrnick?
Q BY MR. KEITH: Warrnick was being put down by Manson?
A: Yes, and his girlfriends. I didn’t like this.
Q: Warrnick’s girlfriends or Manson’s girlfriends were being put down?
A: Manson’s girlfriends.
Q: Were also putting down Warrnick?
Q: And where did this conversation take place?
A: Pacific Coast Highway; Dennis Wilson’s second house.
Q: Was that the first occasion when you met Manson?
Q: Do you remember any of the conversation that you may have had with him on the first occasion?
A: No, I was introduced.
Q: No conversation, then, other than introductions, and some chit chat, perhaps?
Q: Was there any kind of an argument, getting back to the second conversation, again, between Warrnick and Manson?
A: No, I just didn’t like the things that Manson and his girlfriends were saying to Allen, and so I told Allen that we should leave.
Q: You were with Allen at that time?
Q: And Manson was making derogatory remarks about --
A: Yes, he was.
Q: -- Allen Warrnick?
Was, by any chance, Warrnick being referred to as a member of the establishment or a pig or words to that effect?
Q: This party at Melcher’s, did the party circulate throughout the house or was it confined to one particular room or rooms, if you recall?
A: To the best of my knowledge, I think people were just roaming around.
Q: Did you ever see the person whom you knew as Charlie -- not Charlie Manson -- but the other Charlie at Dennis Wilson’s --
Q: -- on any occasion?
A: I never did.
Q: Did you ever see or meet a man by the name of Dean Moorehouse at Dennis Wilson’s?
A: Yes, I did.
Q: One occasion or more than one occasion?
A: Two occasions.
Q: Did you ever talk to Dean Moorehouse?
A: Yes, I did.
Q: And did he at that time, when you saw him, or those times, to be more accurate, appear to be living at Dennis Wilson’s?
A: Yes, at the one on Sunset; there was a log cabin like, in the back, a guesthouse, where he lived.
Q: Do you have any idea how long Dean Moorehouse may have lived in the log cabin?
A: No, I have no idea.
Q: Apparently, Dennis Wilson had two homes; is that correct?
A: He had the one first near Will Rogers State Park, whatever, and then the lease ran out and he had Greg Jacobson find him another one to rent, which was the one on the Pacific Coast Highway.
Q: Now, at which residence did Dean Moorehouse live? The first or the second?
A: The first.
Q: This conversation that you were present at where Manson made derogatory remarks about your escort, Mr. Warrnick, was that at the first or the second Wilson residence?
Q: Incidentally, Mrs. Guerin, was that the only occasion you were ever at the Melchers when this party continued from Dennis Wilson’s home to the Melcher in either July or October, 1968?
A: No, I had been there many times.
Q: Was this all prior to the time Mrs. Polanski moved in there?
Q: In other words, you were never there after Mrs. Polanski moved in?
A: No, never.
Q: When you say July or October, that is quite a spread.
Where there parties on both those dates?
Q: Those months?
A: I believe it was October, because I was on my way to South Africa to make a movie October 12th, ‘68, and the party was a week or two before that.
Q: Were you there in July also, if you remember? That is, July 1968?
A: In July I was in Tuscon making a movie and I flew in for my sister’s wedding and on that occasion, which was July 21, ‘68, I went down to Dennis Wilson’s house once and then I went back to Tucson.
Q: All right. But my question was -- and I didn’t put it with enough particularity apparently -- were you at the Melcher residence in July 1968 as well as in October 1968, if you recall?
A: Yes. I was there quite a bit. I have known Mr. Melcher for 11 years.
Q: But the only time you think Mr. Watson may have been there was on this October occasion? Is that what your are telling us?
A: This is right.
Q: And you are not sure that he was even there, are you?
A: That is right.
MR. KEITH: I have nothing further.
MR. BUGLIOSI: No further questions.
THE COURT: Thank you, Mrs. Guerin