SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Oh, how are you doing?

DIANNE LAKE: Fine

(Background noise)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: You hurt my feelings. I told you I would see you again.

DIANNE LAKE: (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: This is my partner, Mike Nielsen.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Hi.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Snake --

DIANNE LAKE: Hello.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: -- this here is uh, Jimmy Rabe. He's uh, He’s my lazy man. He's a guy that can write things down so I don't have to pencil them out. He's got a little machine like they use in court. So that way, uh, when I talk with you I don't have to be distracted with writing things down.

So how's it going now that everyone's gone?

DIANNE LAKE: Ok, bored.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Get bored.

DIANNE LAKE: Play lots of cards.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: I understand that uh chances are, they'll let you leave here soon, to go home to your parents, or somebody.

Rather be back at Sybil Brand?

Or up here, right?

DIANNE LAKE: Yeah

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: You're dying for a candy bar?

Want one?

DIANNE LAKE: (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: What's the matter, your stomach grows? (indistinguishable) -

DIANNE LAKE: I do in here

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Were you pregnant after all, Snake?

DIANNE LAKE: Mmm mm

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: How about uh, Lulu?

DIANNE LAKE: No

(indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: She thought she was.

False pregnancy.

DIANNE LAKE: Yeah, but then (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Tell me, did Robert bolt?

DIANNE LAKE: (Laughing)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE:You know, I saw a picture of you when uh -- up in Ventura. Up and picked you up for trespassing or something

SERGEANT NIELSEN: (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Anyway, you had dark hair back then. The last picture makes you look dark hair too. You can hardly see your face. Looks like your face is about the size of an ashtray.

DIANNE LAKE: That was probably when we were, um, fall.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: You're hair was a lot darker, I guess. Otherwise it's just the picture, the black and white picture --

DIANNE LAKE: Well, I remember this (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Well, after I told you before, uh, Snake, this is Sergeant Nielsen. And this is Jim Rabe. He's a court reporter or stenographer. He plays with that little machine. Of course you know who I am, Sergeant Sartuche, or Phil. It's a lot easier to pronounce.

I was talking with uh, the assistant District Attorney, Buck -- and with Jack, Gardner

DIANNE LAKE: Yeah.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: And uh, they told us that they'd been talking to ya shortly before Christmas, sometime. A few days before Christmas. And -- you told them a few things that you didn't discuss with us.

DIANNE LAKE: Yeah

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Uh --

DIANNE LAKE: Six or seven hours worth

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Six or seven hours worth, ok. Probably better, let me say a few -- make it sound short. Uh, like I said, you didn't discuss it with us. We'd like you to. So we came up and, just for that purpose to ask you if you would, discuss with us, what you discussed with those gentlemen.

Uh, I know, like you said, it's six or seven hours worth. And we said we were interested in everything, we have to be. But, what were mainly concerned with, and our main job, of course, is the Tate and the LaBianca murder. Uh, in particular, the LaBianca murder. That's the rich couple, the wealthy grocery owner and his wife.

What I'd like to do, if it's alright with you, is to discuss the information you have, regarding that. Whatever Leslie discussed with you, uh, in detail. In other words, start right there and tell us; I know when you spoke to Buck, and you started with the time you met the family, all your experiences --

DIANNE LAKE: All you want is the --

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: -- various places

DIANNE LAKE: -- murder.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Right. (indistinguishable) and so do we. But for the moment, we would just like to talk about, that murder at the wealthy grocery owner, and his wife. That's what we wanna talk about. And then, just cover that, for the moment. That be alright?

Ok, fine.

Uh, just to get you started. My understanding is, that -- uh, speaking with Buck Gibbons, the assistant District Attorney and Jack Gardner, the District Attorney investigator, that you related to them, that you had a conversation with Leslie Sankston.

DIANNE LAKE: She (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Ok, you had a conversation with her, regarding this whole -- would you start from that and tell us, regarding this grocery owner and his wife, what transpired.

DIANNE LAKE: Well, a long time ago, back at the ranch. She, well, mmm.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Let me just stop you there --

DIANNE LAKE: Yeah.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: -- when you say a long time ago, Snake, uh, could you just say about, uh, August or during September. Just something to this effect.

DIANNE LAKE: It was probably in July.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: In 1969? Ok.

DIANNE LAKE: And she came in, with some rope and a purse, and I remember she had a lot of change. And I asked her where she got it. And she said it wasn't stolen. And then she started burning all this stuff. And then, they came up, somebody drove up, and she, she put it in the bag. And then she would laugh. And then she -- and then after they left, she'd put it back in there, to burn it some more. So she burned it.

And then about an hour later, somebody comes, that had picked her up in Griffith Park and had given her a ride -- from Griffith Park. And she uh, she hide under the blanket. And she said, "I don't want anybody to see me." (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Did she say why she didn't want any - these people to see her?

DIANNE LAKE: Not at the time (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Ok.

This was Leslie Sankston that hid under the blankets and so forth, and didn't want those people to see her.

DIANNE LAKE: She just wanted -- she, said was that the fella that (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Ok, just to clarify a date, uh. The murder of Mr. and Mrs. LaBianca, uh, occurred in the first few days of August, you say, within the first 10 days of August. You mentioned earlier, that --

DIANNE LAKE: I don't know

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: sometime in July. Could it have been in August, that is occurred, the first part of August? This, hiding in the blanket and so forth.

DIANNE LAKE: When was -- when was the raid at Spahn's Movie Ranch?

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: On August the 16th.

DIANNE LAKE: Yeah, it could've been.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Was it a short period before, or a few days before the raid at Spahn Ranch?

DIANNE LAKE: About a week.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: About a week before?

DIANNE LAKE: Two weeks.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: So a week before or two weeks. So roughly, anywhere from 6 to 10 days before the raid at Spahn Ranch is when this might've -- had occurred, ok?

DIANNE LAKE: But I think it -- I'm not sure, but I think it was after Gary Hinman. Not after I heard about it, but after they came home in his car.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: After some people came home to the ranch in Gary's car?

I see.

To the best of my recollection, Gary was killed a, July the 27th. So it would be after July the 27th and before the Spahn Ranch raid. So we can kind of put it in between there somewhere.

DIANNE LAKE: I don't remember exact --

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: No.

DIANNE LAKE: -- when it happened

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Sure.

Just so we get an idea. See, now we know it was between July the 27th and August the 16th. Sometime in between there, which is, about uh, a twenty day period.

Also uh, did you have a conversation with uh, Leslie while you were at the Barker Ranch?

DIANNE LAKE: Um, yeah.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: She related some things to you at this time?

DIANNE LAKE: Yeah.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: What were they?

DIANNE LAKE: She said that -- oh, I had heard (indistinguishable) Willow Springs. And she, is probably Willow Springs. She and Tex were there. First, he had after they killed, everybody, and after we did (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Who's saying this?

DIANNE LAKE: Leslie.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Leslie's saying to you.

DIANNE LAKE: That, he -- that they're there killing the people, she was wiping off all the finger-- after she wiped. After that, she wiped off all the fingerprints.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Did she state what people they were killing?

DIANNE LAKE: (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Did she identify the people in any way?

DIANNE LAKE: I can't recall (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: To the best that you remember.

DIANNE LAKE: I think she said the LaBiancas.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: The LaBiancas, ok.

She stated that she was present during the killing?

DIANNE LAKE: Cause they didn't want to stop it.

She wasn't -- wasn't with them at the Tate murders.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: I see.

So -- She was, there, uh, during the LaBianca killings, and just -- came back and was wiping off, while --

DIANNE LAKE: She told she wiped off, they wiped off -- that she wiped off places they didn't even touch, or even think of touching.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Was she told to do this?

DIANNE LAKE: (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: By who?

DIANNE LAKE: Tex

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Tex told her to wipe 'em off.

Did she want to go along or did she say how she ever went along? to the LaBianca house?

DIANNE LAKE: I don't remember.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: What did they do while they were there? Did she tell you anything about that?

DIANNE LAKE: She said, they took some money and they, they ate some food.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: They took some money. Did she state how much or where the money came from?

Did she --

DIANNE LAKE: Just a bunch of change.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Bunch of change?

Did she state where this murder took place? It near any place?

DIANNE LAKE: Griffith Park.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Pardon?

DIANNE LAKE: Near Griffith Park.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: It was near Griffith Park.

DIANNE LAKE: And I know that pretty well.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Did, she state, did she personally, did she stab anybody?

DIANNE LAKE: (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: How did she say that?

DIANNE LAKE: Well, I don't remember if it was the man or the woman, but she said he asked her to go ahead and stab (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Who is he?

DIANNE LAKE: Tex.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: I see, so Tex --

DIANNE LAKE: After they were dead, just so that she could -- that way (indistinguishable) were alive.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Did she feel a little upset when she was there? Did she --

DIANNE LAKE: Mmm hmm.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: -- mention to you?

DIANNE LAKE: But she said she got used to it.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: While she --

DIANNE LAKE: I mean, the stabbing.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: How many times did she stab these people?

DIANNE LAKE: She just kept stabbing and stabbing and stabbing.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Who's knife did she use?

DIANNE LAKE: Her own.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Her own?

DIANNE LAKE: Yeah.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Did she state anything more, or anything else that they did when they were there?

DIANNE LAKE: (indistinguishable)

They took the milk with them.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: They took the milk with them?

DIANNE LAKE: Yeah, they did.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Did they have a milk carton with them?

DIANNE LAKE: I guess so. That's what they said. They said, when they walked down the street and hitchhiked

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: They hitchhiked home?

Who was there?

DIANNE LAKE: I don't know. I don't remember what she said.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: You just --

DIANNE LAKE: (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: -- you just mention Tex and Leslie. Cause, she mentioned only Tex during this whole conversation

DIANNE LAKE: She might've mentioned Steve.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Who's Steve?

DIANNE LAKE: Clem.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Clem? Why do you say that?

DIANNE LAKE: Just because I remember his name. (indistinguishable) Clearly I remember, but in my mind, I can't recall her saying it.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: But did she say --

DIANNE LAKE: But they talked about it all the time. So all the people knew.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: I see. What else did they say about it. This, this conversation, so far

(indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: This is Leslie talking now?

DIANNE LAKE: And Gypsy.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Ok.

DIANNE LAKE: Gypsy don't have nothing to do with it. But she, didn't want anybody to tell. (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Did Leslie tell you how she and Tex got up to the LaBianca home?

DIANNE LAKE: I don't know.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: You did say they hitchhiked back, she say --

SERGEANT NIELSEN: (indistinguishable) Snake, if you don't mind. I'm sitting in a wind tunnel over here. I'm getting a blast from the air condition. So if you could just --

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Turn the volume up is what he's saying.

DIANNE LAKE: Ahhh.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: One, two, three, testing, ok. Uh, did she say, uh, you, we'll go back. She mentioned that she hitchhiked home, or back to the ranch.

DIANNE LAKE: Yes.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Yes, ok.

DIANNE LAKE: Yeah.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Uh, my hard of hearing partner.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: It comes with age.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Did she say where she caught the ride?

DIANNE LAKE: Outside of Griffith Park.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Outside of Griffith Park?

Did she state with who?

DIANNE LAKE: With who she got the ride with?

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Yeah.

DIANNE LAKE: I don't remember the name, I know what kind of car he has.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: You do know what kind of car he has? What kind?

DIANNE LAKE: It's a peach color.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: A peach color?

DIANNE LAKE: Same color as these walls.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Same color as these walls? Kind of a light pink color? Do you know what make?

DIANNE LAKE: I think it was a Ford.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: A Ford? Two door or four door?

DIANNE LAKE: I didn't see it that close.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: New car or old car?

DIANNE LAKE: Mmm, about a 19- 54.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: '54?

DIANNE LAKE: Mmm hmm.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Who does this car belong to?

DIANNE LAKE: Some -- somebody who cut the field telephone wire.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Somebody what?

DIANNE LAKE: Who had permission to cut the field telephone wire. Between the house and the ranch. And he, he was a friend of that guy Frank.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Who's Frank?

DIANNE LAKE: Who's buying the back part of George Spahn's property (indistinguishable) doctor, lawyer.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: I see.

DIANNE LAKE: He's trying to get us out of that back house.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: So the friend in the peach car, is the friend of Frank.

DIANNE LAKE: I don't know who it was, but she was scared to death of him. I mean, he just gave her a ride. And then here he comes there cutting the wires --

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Kind of a crazy coincidence, huh?

It's not quite clear in my mind. What do you mean by have the authority to cut some wire?

DIANNE LAKE: Well, Frank (indistinguishable) or somebody told him to cut it on the property line. He wouldn't have, have even known about it, if he didn't know Frank.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: This is the line that the family set up?

DIANNE LAKE: Yes. It's the same field telephones that were up in the desert.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: I see. They were then, put up to be used at the uh, Spahn Ranch.

DIANNE LAKE: We used them to call down and tell them, when dinner was ready. That's what we used them for.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Where do you think they, gave permission to cut them.

DIANNE LAKE: He wanted us out, he wanted us out.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: All of you out, this was (indistinguishable)

DIANNE LAKE: (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Let's go back just a little. Was there anything else now, that Leslie discussed with you about these murders up at this house? That she said was the LaBianca people?

DIANNE LAKE: Not that I remember.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Okay, how about conversations, uh, following this Willow Springs conversation. I believe you mentioned earlier that, this conversation, to the best of your recollection took place in the Willow Springs area. Did you have any other conversations at the Myers Ranch or --

DIANNE LAKE: No.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Uh, did she tell you what day this was that this took place? this stabbing?

DIANNE LAKE: No.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Are there any questions that I did not ask you regarding the LaBianca case, that you want to tell me about?

DIANNE LAKE: No.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Nothing else you can think of.

DIANNE LAKE: No. Not that I can remember.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Did she ever say anything --

DIANNE LAKE: Except as soon as I get back in my room, I'll remember, ahh, and I -- the whole memory thing.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: What a mess, uh?

DIANNE LAKE: (laughs)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Uh, did she say anything about, uh, the way the people acted, or what they said when they first walked in the house, got a hold of them?

Or did she tell you how she got in the house?

DIANNE LAKE: They were -- I don't know (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Did she say that they were asleep?

DIANNE LAKE: No, not that I remember.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Okay, Umm, did she say uh, maybe he or the lady fought with them?

Or put up a struggle, screamed or, anything?

DIANNE LAKE: I don't remember.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Don't remember, Okay. It's understandable, it's been a long time. Uh, did she say how they found this particular house, or why they wanted to go to this particular house?

DIANNE LAKE: No. Probably because it had a big boat outside.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: What do you mean by a big boat?

DIANNE LAKE: The boat.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Who told you that?

DIANNE LAKE: They might've -- might've described it or I heard it in the papers.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: You're not sure if she -- you're not sure if Leslie told you that?

DIANNE LAKE: Yeah.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Leslie told you that there was a boat in front of the house?

DIANNE LAKE: Well, it would've been -- it would've been Leslie, but I'm not sure, if she said that.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: I see.

DIANNE LAKE: (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Did she tell you how she got into the house?

DIANNE LAKE: No.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Did she say anything, that they, hit the people over the head, or tied them up, or separate them in anyway?

DIANNE LAKE: (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Once they're inside the house, did she tell you uh, what she saw in the house? What the furniture was like? Or uh, pictures on the walls, or uh, anything?

You just tell me about the inside of the house.

DIANNE LAKE: The wrote, I think --

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Who did?

DIANNE LAKE: -- or on the refrigerator.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Okay. Who wrote on the refrigerator?

DIANNE LAKE: Tex.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Tex wrote on the refrigerator?

Ink pen, ball point?

DIANNE LAKE: I think they wrote in blood.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: In blood? What did he use to write?

DIANNE LAKE: I don't know.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Don't know?

DIANNE LAKE: A rag --

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: I'm sorry?

DIANNE LAKE: -- a rag or a handkerchief.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: A rag or a handkerchief.

Did she say where the rag or handkerchief came from?

DIANNE LAKE: (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Did she say what Tex wrote on the refrigerator?

DIANNE LAKE: I don't remember. I mean, they did, a couple on the refrigerator, got on the walls, a couple of them. (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Sure, I can understand that.

Did she say, though, what they wrote on the refrigerator?

DIANNE LAKE: No, I don't remember.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Did they write anything else?

DIANNE LAKE: No.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Just on the refrigerator is all she told you.

DIANNE LAKE: (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Okay, did she do any writing?

DIANNE LAKE: I don't remember, if she did (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Okay.

DIANNE LAKE: They were supposed to be quiet (indistinguishable) Nobody told anyone

That's a bad thing (indistinguishable) When somebody tells you to be quiet (indistinguishable) They were supposed to stay in the back. And I know that's how it was.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Mmm, if you don't mind if I ask you, uh, was there any struggle in the house -- ya know, with the lady or the man fight with them?

DIANNE LAKE: I don't remember.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: You did mention stabbing, did they do anything else to them

DIANNE LAKE: (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Okay, mentioned earlier, hit them on the head with something? Or tie 'em up?

DIANNE LAKE: They might've.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Did she say this to you?

DIANNE LAKE: I don't know.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Okay. You mentioned they took, they ate, something. Did she say what they ate?

Um, they took some Milk, and uh, corn and some change. Did she say where the change came from?

DIANNE LAKE: No.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Do you know how much?

DIANNE LAKE: Let's see, one day I helped her count it out. I don't know if it was the same money.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: What --

DIANNE LAKE: But she --

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: -- date was this?

DIANNE LAKE: (indistinguishable) but she burned that stuff.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: The purse and the --

DIANNE LAKE: I don't know, but she burned the purse and the rope.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Let's describe some --

DIANNE LAKE: (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: -- what type of purse was this?

DIANNE LAKE: A small and brown.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Small and brown?

DIANNE LAKE: Almost brown, soft, soft brown.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Uh, huh.

DIANNE LAKE: This big.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Do you know what a cocktail purse is? Or a lady's evening bag? It's -- it's kind of long. And --

DIANNE LAKE: Mmm mmm.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: About five inches high.

DIANNE LAKE: It had, it was like a box. It's was either like a box -- I didn't see it too well. Or it was just straight.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: With uh, a handle on it?

And it was brown. Uh, do you mean brown, leather exterior or do you mean brown plastic exterior?

DIANNE LAKE: (indistinguishable) Oh look it's, it's soft -- soft and brown.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Uh, If I gave you that purse, uh, what kind of dress would you wear with it? And --

DIANNE LAKE: A knit suit.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: A knit suit? Something you'd go out to dinner in the evening with?

DIANNE LAKE: Yeah, or shopping.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Or shopping.

DIANNE LAKE: And I -- It wasn't, it was like uh, a woman that had probably like six or seven different. Or maybe it was her only one and it belong (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Was there anything in the purse other than this change?

DIANNE LAKE: I think, uh she burned her credit card

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Pardon?

DIANNE LAKE: She burned her credit card.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: She burned a credit card?

DIANNE LAKE: Yeah.

And a whole bunch of stuff like that, ID's.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Do you remember uh --

DIANNE LAKE: (laughing)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: -- do you know the name that would go with that?

DIANNE LAKE: No. She burned it before I was, you know, before she came in (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Was the credit card in the wallet? Do you remember a wallet?

DIANNE LAKE: She (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: This burning and the counting of the coins, it this happen after she told you about the LaBiancas? Or before?

DIANNE LAKE: Before.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Before. A long time before? Or a short time before.

DIANNE LAKE: Well, it was at the ranch, about a week later.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: At Spahn Ranch or at Barker Ranch?

DIANNE LAKE: At Spahn.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Pardon?

DIANNE LAKE: At Spahn.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: At Spahn Ranch.

DIANNE LAKE: And they were trying to get us out of there, so I think I just left. We went to um, Devil's Canyon. I went to Devil's Canyon. (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: You don't know what date that was?

DIANNE LAKE: I don't, remember. I didn't keep tra - track.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Okay.

DIANNE LAKE: There's uh -- the next day I, knew was, Aug-- August 15th, August 17th.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Uh, the burning of the -- when did you go up to uh, Barker Ranch?

DIANNE LAKE: Umm. About two weeks after the Spahn's Movie Ranch raid.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Okay, so the ranch raid was the 16th of August. You went up there about two weeks later, so you'd be up there at the end of August.

Okay, and then the burning of the purse, took place, before the raid on the ranch?

DIANNE LAKE: (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Okay. And, was this before or after that this man came up there with his peach colored Ford?

DIANNE LAKE: After, it was at the same time, she had -- she just finished burning them up and was going back to sleep.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: I see, and this man came up and that's -- they gave them the ride from, uh, Griffith Park. Okay.

It's difficult for me, Dianne, to get a lot of things in semblance of order in my mind. That's the only reason I kind of ask the, hard questions, as they say.

Okay, is there anything else that she told you about being up at the LaBianca house? She mentioned the boat. She mentioned the milk. And the writing on the refrigerator. The taking of some coins, which you said you helped her count. Turned out to be how much money?

DIANNE LAKE: About forty dollars.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: About forty dollars of coins. Uh, Pennies, Nickels, Dimes, Quarters?

DIANNE LAKE: Quarters, Dimes, Nickels.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Were they in a bag, or anything?

DIANNE LAKE: Plastic bag.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: In a plastic bag. Inside the purse?

DIANNE LAKE: I don't know where, she just walked in, stuff in her hand and she threw it in the fireplace. And it wasn't anything burning because there wasn't a fire.

I don't know if she counted first or built the fire first. But it looked like, to me. Even then it flashed -- it, reminded me of uh, an anchor rope.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: An anchor rope?

DIANNE LAKE: Yeah, like from a boat.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: What's an anchor rope?

DIANNE LAKE: It's brown, and about this big, like, really large. (indistinguishable) you know, pirates and stuff like that. I could show you pictures.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: So it's brown looking, and rough.

DIANNE LAKE: (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Diameter?

DIANNE LAKE: And a coil that's going around. So like, if I needed more, I'd have to use two of, each -- like two, two, things -- two things. And each one is composed of a whole bunch of hemp, and they (indistinguishable). And each one of them loop -- about a half inch in diameter.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: And it's all put together? So when their all put together, how fat are they? Distance around?

DIANNE LAKE: About like this.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Your figure I take it, it's about an inch around?

DIANNE LAKE: Yeah, about an inch and a half.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: An inch and a half?

You've ever seen that kind of rope before? Laying around the ranch or anything?

DIANNE LAKE: (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Did Leslie say anything to you about maybe, her clothes getting bloody or dirty in this?

DIANNE LAKE: Yeah, she burned those too.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: She burned what?

DIANNE LAKE: Her clothes. So she burned clothes.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: What led up to this burning of the clothes?

DIANNE LAKE: What led up to it?

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Well, (indistinguishable) did she say, 'I dirtied my clothes" before I burn them, or

DIANNE LAKE: I don't know, she just burned them.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: What color were the clothes?

DIANNE LAKE: I think they were (indistinguishable) Some clothes, whether they were hers or somebody else's.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: When did she burn those?

DIANNE LAKE: Same time.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: By that you mean the time she burned the purse, along with.

DIANNE LAKE: I'm pretty sure that the credit card, 'cause, you know, (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Good reason.

Did she describe the house that these people lived in? The outside of it, at all?

DIANNE LAKE: No.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Okay, so far everything we've discussed with what Leslie told you. Did Tex tell you anything?

DIANNE LAKE: He might've but I don't remember.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: (indistinguishable)

DIANNE LAKE: Not about LaBianca.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Did she say that she might've lost or left anything up there at the LaBianca house? Did she tell you?

DIANNE LAKE: (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Was there anything in the house that she saw that she liked? Like a pretty statue, or a pretty picture, or pretty piece of furniture?

DIANNE LAKE: No.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Was there any conversation between herself and Mr. and Mrs. LaBianca?

DIANNE LAKE: I don't know.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Did she see any cars parked at the LaBianca house, that she talked about?

DIANNE LAKE: Not that, not that I remember.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Any neighbors around the house might've talked to them, when they left the place or were going there?

DIANNE LAKE: I don't know.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Did she say it was daytime or nighttime?

DIANNE LAKE: Early in the morning -- Well, she got home about 5 o'clock, in the morning.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: In the morning?

DIANNE LAKE: Yes, dawn was coming up.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: The sun --

DIANNE LAKE: She said she had been out all night.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Did you see when she came in, that morning?

DIANNE LAKE: Mmm hmm.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: How did she look? Anything -- Any dirty spots on her clothes? Or blood spots?

DIANNE LAKE: I don't remember.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Who did she come in with?

DIANNE LAKE: Just by herself.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Just by herself? What'd she say now?

DIANNE LAKE: "Got some money"

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: I'm sorry?

DIANNE LAKE: She said, "I got some money."

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Got some money?

DIANNE LAKE: Yeah, so they were trying to get bail for a couple people.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: I see, Wh--

DIANNE LAKE: I ask-- Then I ask her where she'd get it. She said it wasn't stolen.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Can you remember what day this was, that she came in with all of this?

DIANNE LAKE: What day she came in?

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Yes.

DIANNE LAKE: Might've been a Saturday.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Might've been a Saturday?

DIANNE LAKE: Yeah, that's how I remember it.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Why do you say that?

DIANNE LAKE: Cause -- Because I was around. (laughing) (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Could've been Sunday?

DIANNE LAKE: Yes.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: This particular day that she came in, would be either a Saturday or Sunday. Uh, was it -- Bobby Beausoleil was already in jail?

DIANNE LAKE: (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Okay, that's the latter part of July and first part of August.

I don't have the exact date. Of course, this is fact that they (indistinguishable) at the jail. And, it was before the raid at Spahn Ranch. So it had to be, in the time that Beausoleil to the, before the raid on the ranch.

And then, the conversation at Willow Springs, of course, would’ve been sometime at the end of August.

When she told you all those things.

DIANNE LAKE: Sometime around September.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Sometime around September? The first part?

DIANNE LAKE: (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Okay, At the time she came in at dawn, the time she told you all these things up at Willow Springs. Let's get a better date on the time of the burning of the purse, and the rope, and the credit cards. That took place when?

First of all, did it take place at Spahn Ranch?

DIANNE LAKE: (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: It did. And uh -- it took place the day this fella came up in his pink car.

DIANNE LAKE: Yes.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Was that before or after the raid.

DIANNE LAKE: Before.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Before the raid.

And, Bobby Beausoleil was already in jail.

DIANNE LAKE: Yes.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Okay, it's the same - time sequence. After Beausoleil is in jail and before the first raid. Okay.

Just out of curiosity, did she say what brand of milk (indistinguishable) they took and drank?

DIANNE LAKE: No, just that it was chocolate.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: It was chocolate milk?

DIANNE LAKE: Yeah.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: That's good. Any ice cream in the ice box?

DIANNE LAKE: I don't know.(indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Well, if you don't know, I'm not asking you to fabricate any answers for me, just to make me happy.(indistinguishable)

Did uh, did she say anything about cleaning up that stu-- all of this?

DIANNE LAKE: Yeah, she wiped up all the fingerprints.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Okay.

DIANNE LAKE: She wiped them off of everything.

She said they were in a panic --

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Because Tex told her to do so?

DIANNE LAKE: Yeah.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: I see. And then after doing that is when he invited her to, stay at this --

DIANNE LAKE: Or before.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: You're not sure? Okay.Uh, did she clean up after -- not talking the fingerprints, physically is what I'm speaking of.

DIANNE LAKE: No, she left it all bloody.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Left it all bloody?

How about herself, did she wash her hands or anything like that?

DIANNE LAKE: I don't think she, she got any on her

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: I'm sorry, I didn't hear you.

DIANNE LAKE: I don't believe she got any on her.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: I see. How about Tex?

DIANNE LAKE: Not that I remember. I mean, I don't remember them saying anything.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: They didn't say anything to the effect, that they washed their hands, took a bath or anything like this?

DIANNE LAKE: (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Okay.

Nothing about uh, the rope or, that was used at the LaBianca's, or anything like that?

DIANNE LAKE: Not that I remember.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Did she say the girl -- the lady was pretty or anything?

DIANNE LAKE: (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Anything about the man? He was ugly, he was pretty or handsome -- looked like Jack Jones or something?

DIANNE LAKE: (laughing) No.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Was he skinny or fat, or anything like that?

DIANNE LAKE: No.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Did she say anything to you about what kind of business this man or lady might've been in.

DIANNE LAKE: No.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: I'm making notes on (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: He's uh, he's a better listener. So he can write down for me.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: He's a good talker.

(indistinguishable) like I'm asking you the same thing you already answered before, maybe I am, I don't remember it. But sometimes it's like when you go to the grocery store, you know, the first time around you pick out what you think you need. And then sometimes you just go back and walk through and you see things that you wanted to get in the first place, or you remember things. And that's, what I really want to try to do here is, as we go through. So, if it looks the same as Sergeant Sarchutti. If you don't know, just say "I don't know." That, this is just, in the event that it, might, ring a bell. It might bring a memory back.

Did, the people read, uh, all of the members of the family, read about these in the paper after it came out?

DIANNE LAKE: Yes.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: I imagine that, probably everyone was interested. I would imagine that Tex and Charlie and Leslie were particularly interested in it, because they had been there. Does it ring any bells with you, with Leslie or uh, Tex or Charlie? That when they read about it, that they made comments, about, say, the LaBiancas?

DIANNE LAKE: I only, seen Tex with the newspaper, about Sharon Tate.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Just Tex?

Did you -- do you recall hearing Charlie, uh, talk to anybody about, either one of it.

DIANNE LAKE: (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Let's take this, about the hitchhiking home. Now if I remember correctly, Leslie came back about 5 in the morning.

DIANNE LAKE: 5 or 6.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: You were around, it was early in the morning. And you saw here come back, or you saw her, come into where you were staying. She came into where you were staying?

DIANNE LAKE: Yes.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Uh, then, was it that very same day that this man came up that she was, didn't want to see her.

DIANNE LAKE: Yes.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: She ran off to get --

DIANNE LAKE: Yes.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Do you have any idea about what time of day it was, the man came up?

DIANNE LAKE: About 8 or 9 in the morning?

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Then it wasn't too long after she came back. So, when she came back, did she talk about how she got back there?

DIANNE LAKE: How she got from -- how she got to the ranch?

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Yeah.

She had been gone, did you know where she gone?

DIANNE LAKE: No.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: But when she came back, it was 5 or 6, it was early in the morning. Did she say how she got back from wherever she had been?

DIANNE LAKE: Not then.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: It was later, that she talked about hitchhiking?

DIANNE LAKE: Well, they'd always hitchhike. We didn't have any cars.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: You just assumed that they hitchhiked back. (indistinguishable)

DIANNE LAKE: -- she said she had.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: When did she tell you? While -- when she ran up and hid from this man. Did she tell you anything about why she didn't want him to see her?

DIANNE LAKE: Because he had given her a ride. She told me that's his car.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Did she say when he'd given her a ride, or is it?

DIANNE LAKE: This morning, she said. Yeah, this morning.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Oh this morning, so she didn't say right this morning.

DIANNE LAKE: She wasn't talking to anybody particular. She just says, "That's the guy who gave me ride from Griffith Park this morning."

SERGEANT NIELSEN: And then she -

DIANNE LAKE: And then she went under the blanket.

She said, "Sit in front of me"

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: I'm sorry.

DIANNE LAKE: She said, "Sit in front of me."

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Sit in front of me?

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Did the man look like he was looking for her?

DIANNE LAKE: Yeah.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: This man --

DIANNE LAKE: She -- He didn't give her a ride to Spahn's Movie Ranch.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Where did he give her a ride to?

DIANNE LAKE: Probably just down Santa Susana Pass. I don't know, I don't remember exactly what she told me where he dropped her off, but she told me different, she said, "he didn't give me a ride all the way to the ranch."

SERGEANT NIELSEN: I see.

She must've, walked the rest of the way. It's a fluke, that uh --

DIANNE LAKE: Yeah, (indistinguishable) another ride.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: When she came up, did another car drop her off?

DIANNE LAKE: No.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Could you've heard another car if they had driven up back around where you were here.

DIANNE LAKE: Yeah.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: This fellow uh, his name was Frank, is that right? That, she was hiding from?

DIANNE LAKE: No. Friend of Frank's, was who she was hiding from, or somebody, probably just met, I don't know.

But he cut our telephone wire.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Did he do it that morning --

DIANNE LAKE: And he --

SERGEANT NIELSEN: -- when he came out.

DIANNE LAKE: -- he left talking to her later.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Was it that morning that he cut the wire?

DIANNE LAKE: Yeah.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: That's probably what he came up for.

DIANNE LAKE: Yeah, I know, she told -- it's probably one of those coincidences.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Headed over there.

DIANNE LAKE: He was probably on his way to Spahn's Movie Ranch and she asked to get out earlier and she, I think she came through creek. There was a creek at the Spahn's Movie Ranch and that's usually how they get back to the ranch. (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Was there anything that Leslie talked about, that she was afraid of, that they might've found. After she told you about being up there, you know, stabbing people after they were dead, as far as she told you about. Wiping the fingerprints off. Was there anything that, one thing, or two things or whatever, that she was afraid that might be found, that could be traced back to her? Or that in some way they would find out that she was up there?

DIANNE LAKE: No.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: She wasn't afraid of anything?

DIANNE LAKE: (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT NIELSEN: They ever mention a -- a fellow by the name of Harold?

DIANNE LAKE: I know him.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: You know Harold?

DIANNE LAKE: He lives in a big (indistinguishable) Does he have a little dog. I know somebody named Har-- named Harold --

SERGEANT NIELSEN: What's your Harold's last name:?

DIANNE LAKE: I don't know.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: What's he look like?

DIANNE LAKE: He's blonde and he's very heavy.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Big heavy fellow.

DIANNE LAKE: Oh yeah, he's heavyset. He's been losing weight for a long time. He was heavyset. And he has a small little poodle.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: What kind?

DIANNE LAKE: The poddle? Um, It's kind of, like a pekinese. Or -- yeah, it's a pekinese.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Pekinese?

DIANNE LAKE: Well, I don't know. It's --

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Phil(indistinguishable) can tell you all about poodles, he has three of them.

DIANNE LAKE: Do you like them?

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: (indistinguishable)

DIANNE LAKE: I don't remember -- all that I can remember is that they shaved her. But I don't remember if (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT NIELSEN: They shaved balls in the hair (indistinguishable)?

DIANNE LAKE: Some of it, I mean, they clipped it --

SERGEANT NIELSEN: (indistinguishable)

DIANNE LAKE: -- before it was all (laughs) it was just all over. You know, just had hair (indistinguishable) shave.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Little balls of hair.

How did you met Harold?

DIANNE LAKE: Through Charles.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Did he -- was he a friend of Charles?

DIANNE LAKE: (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT NIELSEN: When did you first met him?

DIANNE LAKE: About October. (indistinguishable)

-- I already told them (indistinguishable)

I don't know (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Where you ever over to Harold's house? For an acid trip?

DIANNE LAKE: Yeah.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Whereabouts is -- Where did Harold live, that time?

DIANNE LAKE: Hollywood.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: In the hills?

Do you remember what kind of house they had?

DIANNE LAKE: It was a big white -- just a big house on the hill. And it's right next to a place that's all, bricked in. There -- it belonged to some kind of movie star.(indistinguishable)

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Great big place?

Where you ever up there? The big, movie star's house?

DIANNE LAKE: No.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Does Harold live alone?

DIANNE LAKE: No.

He live with (indistinguishable). He, uh, -- it's a partnership house. Like it's three or four people there. (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT NIELSEN: And the other fellows there.

DIANNE LAKE: Yeah.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Do you remember their names?

DIANNE LAKE: No.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Did you ever hear Harold's last name?

DIANNE LAKE: Yes (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Was it Smith or Jones -- True?

DIANNE LAKE: The last one sounds familiar.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Now, how many times did you go up to the house?

DIANNE LAKE: About four or five.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Was Harold's buddies always there too?

DIANNE LAKE: Yeah.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Do you remember anything the --

DIANNE LAKE: It's a men's house and they always gots lots of girls. So, you know they're all (indistinguishable)--

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Swing--

DIANNE LAKE: -- (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT NIELSEN: -- swinging pad?

Is there anything about the inside of the house that you can remember?

DIANNE LAKE: There was a big court -- court in, in the middle, in the house is it's kind of like a, like this. And once you go in the house, there's a couple doors, and they have this big court, and this little yard. And a big birdhouse and, and the whole backyard spanned, over the top and over -- if you look out there you see the freeway. You see the whole city.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Anything on the walls of the house?

DIANNE LAKE: Big windows.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Any pictures or posters.

DIANNE LAKE: There's a picture of a (indistinguishable) in the front.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Pardon me?

DIANNE LAKE: There's a (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT NIELSEN: She have any clothes on?

DIANNE LAKE: I don't remember.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: You would remember --

(laughter)

DIANNE LAKE: I would.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: When was the last time you went up to Harold's house?

DIANNE LAKE: Couple years.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Do you know if Leslie was ever up there?

DIANNE LAKE: Not that I know of.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: You don't know.

DIANNE LAKE: I mean, she might've been (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Was there anybody, in the family, that, Leslie like to talk to, was a special friend or person?

DIANNE LAKE: Tex.

Um, Gypsy.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Beausoleil? Bobby Beausoleil?

DIANNE LAKE: Yeah.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Did she ever mention uh, anything being taken out of the LaBianca house? I think Sergeant Sartuche has already covered that for me.

But anything that uh, they got rid of, that they took until they got rid of, threw away or hid, or gave away or sold?

DIANNE LAKE: I don't know. None of them ever told me.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Do you recall if, Leslie ever mentioned, how they got into the house?

Whether it was the backdoor, or (indistinguishable) door, front door or?

DIANNE LAKE: No.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: (indistinguishable)

Did she ever mention, in the house, where the woman was, where the man was, or whether or not they were together or apart or?

DIANNE LAKE: I don't remember.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: That's my note taking.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Did she ever say anything about (indistinguishable) to you?

DIANNE LAKE: I don't know.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Or anything about the way the people were dressed?

DIANNE LAKE: If I told you sooner -- all I, I'd remember just perfect.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: I'm sorry?

DIANNE LAKE: If I had told you sooner I'd be able to remember perfect.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: That was up to you.

DIANNE LAKE: Not really.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Well, I'll tell you want I'd like to do now, uh.

(indistinguishable)

I'd like to uh --

A lot of the things you have told us, of course, like I said we're primarily concerned with. I would like to type it out and make sure, my friend here uh, took it down right. He writes in this funny language on this machine. And he can type it in regular language, and then let you read it, to make sure it's exactly what you told me. Because uh, I don't want to uh, say anything you didn't tell me. I don't want to make a mistake, in other words. And then have him type it, and then have you read it, and make sure that's what it is. And then sign it to make sure that's what you told me. Ok?

DIANNE LAKE: Alright. (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT NIELSEN: (indistinguishable) where are the car keys. And you should see my partner, every time we take the keys he probably puts it in a different pocket. Just when --

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: I got these for you.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: We might be up here longer than we thought. Can't get back to drive the car.

(indistinguishable)

He has a typewriter in the back of his car, as far as I know.

DIANNE LAKE: (laughs)

(indistinguishable)

MR. RABE: In other words you --

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Yeah --

MR. RABE: -- want to keep this --

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: -- this should be condensed.

MR. RABE: Right, great.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Uh, that's what I think we oughta do Mike.

Everything we talked about right now uh, would be too much for him to type out. And a lot of it we discussed uh, isn't really -- I should say absolutely necessary, (laughs) as far as the typing goes. The other stuff we talked about isn't so important we have to type it, is what I'm getting at. So uh, tell you what -- I think we ought to do, and I think -- (indistinguishable)

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: I was just explaining to Diane, uh. We have here is quite a bit, Mike. Uh, too much for him to type. Uh -- I think Diane uh, knows now, what we want. Or what, information we'd like. So, why don't we have her go through it. Just -- the things we are concerned with. I'm sure we can cut that down to a third to a quarter of what we have. And then, that's we'll have uh, my friend type out here, and uh, you can read over it. Ok?

Uh, I'll tell you how -- probably be the easiest. Uh, why don't we start Diane, tell us in your own words, uh, the day that Leslie came back to the ranch, number one. Remembering times and dates, the best you can. Or relating it to something. It was after Bobby was arrested and before the raid. These are dates we can find out, that's no problem. Uh, start when she came back to the ranch. That early morning, right before sunrise. Uh, stayed around a little while.Then this man in the pink car came up and she says that the man who gave me a ride from Griffith Park, that story. And then, upon conclusion of that, the conversation you had with her up at the Barker Ranch - Willow Springs area. Mainly uh, that she was present during the LaBianca killing; that she wiped off the place. That uh, she was afraid that, after stabbing that -- either man or woman many times, she felt alright. That uh, they ate something there. They took some chocolate milk with them, when they left. Uh, that this occurred here a park. To that effect, that was the Willow Springs / Barker Ranch. Oh, let me jump back, also burning of the purse and the credit cards, and about the money. This took place at the ranch. And that would be about it.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Did you mention the hitchhiking back to the ranch, the man in the car?

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Yeah, the man in the car, of course. She can tell at the proper part.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: Yeah.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: That will be in the morning time and then again, she tells her and -- she tells you about coming in the morning and then about the hitchhiking, (indistinguishable) the same morning. (indistinguishable)

DIANNE LAKE: What do you want me to start with?

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Ok uh, let's start from uh, when Leslie came to the ranch, that, morning, which was sometime between the time Bobby Beausoleil was arrested, and before the raid, which was on August the 16th. Ok?

DIANNE LAKE: Leslie came in.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Ok, that's Leslie Sankston.

DIANNE LAKE: Leslie Sank-- That's Leslie Van Houten.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Van Houten, ok. I'm sorry.

DIANNE LAKE: (laughs) Came in, about dawn, to the Spahn's Movie Ranch. Sometime after Bobby Beausoleil, incarcerated.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Incarceration.

DIANNE LAKE: And, the Spahn's Movie Ranch raid.

During -- During that time, she burned a rope, a credit card and a purse. Also she had with her, a plastic sack of, change. And then she went to sleep.

Then a man in a pink car, came up to the ranch, to cut the wire.

At that time, she hid under the blankets and said not to let, him see her.So he was the one, that had given her, the ride from Griffith Park, that morning.

He also was a friend of Frank

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SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Uh, you said a friend of Frank's. Frank who?

DIANNE LAKE: I don't know --

SERGEANT NIELSEN: You don't know his last name.

DIANNE LAKE: Is it Germ-- it's, German. I think it's German.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Alright, we got-- (indistinguishable) he's a friend of Frank. And Frank is the man, I believe you said --

Oh, no sir, don't listen to me.

MR. RABE: Alright.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Uh, uh, Frank is the man that you mentioned that is doing business for some people that wanted to buy property in back of the --

DIANNE LAKE: The ranch.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: -- back of the ranch. So, with that you can identify who frank is. So you can start with Frank and then the man.

DIANNE LAKE: Frank is the man that, that is buying property. The back half of George Spahn's property. For, for lawyers and attorneys, things like that (indistinguishable).

SERGEANT NIELSEN: So it's a German club?

DIANNE LAKE: Yeah.

SERGEANT NIELSEN: People are all German, that are in it?

DIANNE LAKE: Well, he -- he (indistinguishable) I don't know who he is, but he's gonna make a --

Sort of like a retreat. Forty thousand dollars, for all of back there or something. Depends on how much you make.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Ok, now, is that everything that took place at the Spahn Ranch? You've covered her coming, the man in the car, the money and the burning.

DIANNE LAKE: Yes.

SERGEANT SARTUCHE: Ok.