• Appellate Court Delays Van Houten Ruling

Appellate Court Delays Van Houten Ruling

Tuesday, July 9th, 2019

Jul. 9 – The appellate court panel that is reviewing Leslie Van Houten’s writ of Habeas Corpus challenging Jerry Brown’s reversal of her September 2017 parole recommendation, today gave themselves 90 more days to publish an opinion.

The panel heard oral arguments in April and were due to rule at the end of the month. However, today, Presiding Justice Frances Rothschild ordered “that submission of the above-entitled matter on April 29, 2019 is vacated due to another member of the panel becoming the lead author. The matter stands resubmitted as of this date.”

The panel will now have until October to rule on the matter.

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79 Responses to Appellate Court Delays Van Houten Ruling

  1. Louis says:


  2. J James says:

    Well I guess if the state can’t give her the death penalty, to continue this game of cat and mouse is torture enough that satisfies the hang em’and flog em’ contingent and relinquishes any stigma the present governor of California may suffer by setting her free. Why any of you good people of America can’t see that this whole situation is developing into an embarrassing farce outside of USA is beyond the realms of fantasy now.

  3. Cybele Moon says:

    I am not sure if everyone in the world is following the Van Houten case that it should become a great embarrassment or farce. It’s nothing that will affect other countries and even other states seem to go by different sentencing rulings in regards to life sentences. Nothing is uniform across the board.
    Anyway, not sure I understand exactly why or who the lead author is but understandably still a hard case to decide.

  4. Jason says:

    This will probably be dragged on for months to come.

  5. Sam says:

    Who cares what other countries think about our criminal justice system. This bitch helped murder two people in cold blood. End of story…

  6. NoJusticeNoPeace says:

    Sam! LMAO!

  7. Roger Wayne says:

    I wish Leslie could be freed. She’s served her time. I know my opinion isn’t a popular one but I’m entitled to it. The other defendants, I’m not so sure about their release.

  8. Jason says:

    Good point Sam! Right on!

  9. Scofield says:

    They are never going to let LVH or any of the Tate/LaBianca murderers walk. Susan Atkins was denied a compassionate release request when she was dying and had already served 30 plus years at that point. That’s very telling. I would be surprised if any of them gets to take a free breath ever again.

  10. Jason Rigne says:

    I hope they never get out Scofield. Susan Atkins helped kill Sharon Tate so when she was asking for compassionate release, I thought that was crazy. She didn’t show Sharon Tate or her unborn baby any mercy.

  11. Scofield says:

    Jason I’m not petitioning for the release of any of them. And I am well aware of their deeds. They participated in and perpetrated murders so chilling it still haunts us in this present day. I was pointing to the fact that if they hard balled Atkins who had a terminal illness if I was LVH I wouldn’t get my hopes up.

  12. Randy Karnes says:

    She held Rosemary LaBianca down so tex could stab her to death. She is a MURDERER, pure and simple. The only way she should be let out, is to be carried out feet first, like the other two who finally paid their debts to society.

  13. Jason says:

    That’s true Scofield. Good point!

  14. Jason says:

    Good point Randy!

  15. Alexander S Hill says:

    She did not hold Rosemary down.

  16. Christy says:

    I just read the LaBianca House is up for sale.

  17. Christy says:

    I’m far more worried about the wrongfully convicted, usually male minorities, than I am about Leslie. If Leslie wasn’t famous nobody would care. Reminds me of the Karla Faye Tucker case. Because she became famous she suddenly had pro death penalty supporters advocating for her death sentence commutation. Never mind about a month before her execution another inmate, black male, had also turned to Jesus but only anti death penalty groups and the pope tried to intervene on his behalf.

    Notoriety may be a two edged sword in Leslie’s case. But she got the ultimate break when the dp was overturned. So I’m not getting all worked up on her behalf. It’s not like she was a deprived and abused child like so many are.

  18. Cybele Moon says:

    agreed Christy.
    There are many anonymous people on death row, often minorities, who have had far more mitigating circumstances than LVH.
    such as so many of her supporters calling her a poor, misguided and brainwashed teenager- she was two weeks shy of her 20th birthday when she participated. Diane Lake was only 14 and horrified when she heard of the murders.

    I also wonder how it will be if she or any are let out at 70 and older. In prison they do seem to have respect and recognition for their accomplishments there. I think that they will be reviled by the many on the outside

  19. Cybele Moon says:

    do you live in California? I read that MS 13 gangs are active in other states as well. Newsom doesn’t care about the good citizens of California? like LVH? I think we are getting off track! Who voted him in if not the good citizens. Don’t forget LVH was at one time given the death penalty for her role in the gruesome murders. You can’t have it both ways and complain about Newsom overturning the death penalty.
    Of course he isn’t going to please all the people but the article said the DA is working hard to prevent gang violence so I imagine many are trying to find solutions.

  20. Cybele Moon says:

    I have not lived in Canada all my life but I guess Canada has different terms than the USA. Canada tends more toward “socialistic” ideals as opposed to calling it liberal in the way you do, although the ‘Liberal” party under Trudeau is in power – and supposedly more socialist whereas the Conservatives are more about capitalism. That’s simply put.
    Canada abolished the death penalty decades ago across the board. There is a more open policy about immigration. A life sentence is up for review after 25 years.

  21. Flip says:

    The MS-13 stories you like to refer to, in imagined support of release for LVH, are certainly grisly and lurid. But, however deplorable gang-on-gang violence is, it somehow doesn’t rise to the same level of horror caused by the Manson gang’s targeting of innocent people at random for torture-murder and blaming it on black people in hopes of starting a global race war.

    Your rants often conclude that Governor Newsome actually welcomes MS-13 into the United
    States…surely you realize that is simply gibbering nonsense, don’t you?

  22. Cybele Moon says:

    agreed Flip!

  23. NoJusticeNoPeace says:

    Oh hell yes Flip!

    *munches on extra buttered popcorn waiting for blockage to begin*

  24. Christy says:

    The fifth largest economy in the world votes for liberal politicians.

  25. Christy says:

    I keep telling you Columbo. No conservative politicians of either party are going to advocate for LVH’s release.

    If you insist on thinking this is a liberal plot why not bother Devin Nunes? He’s busy worrying about illegals even though he rarely goes home to the Central Valley and conveniently forgets that illegal labor holds up the farm industry in this state.

    But continue on with your nonsense. And please remember most posters here don’t care about California politics but do care about this particular case.

  26. Christy says:

    Thank you Flip. I think you said it well.

  27. Christy says:

    I figured you lived up there in Jefferson. The reason you can’t secede is because opioid addicted know it’s the urban liberals pay for your , cough, medical welfare since you think you shouldn’t pick grapes for a living since it’s beneath you. So instead you whine about the people who do. You’re no different than those who attacked the Oakies back in the 30s. You know, the people who fled from the Depression and the dust bowl and made something of themselves here.

    And, again, no matter what you say no conservative politician in this state is going to sign off on any of the Manson killers parole. Both Brown and Newsom were their best chance. And why do I think from reading your posts you’d be even angrier at the “libs” if either one had signed off on Leslie? I bet I’d be reading a soft on crime liberals screed from you.

  28. Christy says:

    Cybele thanks!

    I think Leslie has enough supporters she would probably be ok. I don’t know about the others. When people talk about the money drain they forget she will still be supported by the government to a certain extent. Susan Atkins was as well. Even if she’d been given compassionate release the state would have still funded her medical care. Leslie would receive same.

  29. Cybele Moon says:


    You asked what kind of people liberal politicians attract? personally, I think they probably attract people who care about the planet as a whole, the environmental issues, other people’s suffering, not just your own, racial equality, education, people who don’t want their children to grow up fearful of going to school or armed and ready to shoot “the bad guys.” etc etc
    Cuba who has been so maligned by the states, has free medical care and free education including university for all. But apart from that, and our former fear of Communism, Socialism and democracy are not in opposition as is admirably seen in both Norway and Sweden for example.
    Whether or not LVH gets out of prison is not in our hands, but a life without parole as opposed to the death penalty seems reasonable in certain criminal cases.

  30. Christy says:

    Yes, those liberals in California made it possible to actually see the mountains in summer due to those pesky environmental laws. Struck down miscegenation laws in the state. Decided it was stupid to insist gay people can’t be teachers. Interesting that the Manson Family was quick to complain about pollution and environmental destruction yet it was politicians in this state who identified as liberal that put that forward so we have, what?, some of the most binding environmental laws in the country.

  31. Stephen Craig says:

    I mentioned on another thread that I recently returned from L.A. and was absolutely shocked/appalled at the over all conditions of the city. Even though L.A. has never been a city where I would choose to live, I have always enjoyed my visits there. However, the homeless crisis and the accompanying filth/health hazards to the population remind me, not of a city in a well-developed “super-power” nation, but of a third world cesspool. As my son and I drove around the areas surrounding his community, I was shocked to see that there are people literally wandering around aimlessly who resemble, not your “average Joe” but the “walking dead” (I mean, you truly have to see it to believe it). On one occasion my son needed to go the bank. He was on line at the drive through window, and people were literally camped outside the bank, approaching the waiting vehicles and asking for money. Truly. There were actually panhandling on the line at this particular bank. When we reached the window I asked the teller if they call the police, etc.., and she stated that the cops do come, but these panhandlers return soon after they leave. It’s gotten to the point, she stated, that the police have stated to her there isn’t really much they can do. Even going into stores proved problematic at times, with some rather unsavory looking folks loitering in parking lots/around parked cars. And these conditions I saw in more than one location as we toured the areas around my sons home. I lover my son, and I think he’s very bright, but I did tell him if he didn’t move, and soon, for the safety of himself, and his family he was an idiot.

  32. Cybele Moon says:

    Stephen that is very sad and I have no doubt there is a crisis of homelessness. I have not been to LA in years. So many flock to the temperate west coast and not to mention ensuing crime and drug problems etc etc. Up North the same is true of Vancouver and it has even reached the pristine streets of quaint Victoria on the island. Australia is also suffering. I agree definitely something that needs to be addressed and much of it has to do with I’m just not about to blame the liberals for everything as there seems to be many facets leading up to this- a big one is the lack of affordable housing. Here is a good article

  33. NoJusticeNoPeace says:

    Stephen that is a sad story. Hope your family stays safe and makes a move for their betterment. I left LA back in 1984 and even then the cost of living was astronomical for a half way decent neighborhood–a grand a month for a studio apt. The smog, the crime, the commute to work was enough for me to get the hell out and I’ve never looked back.

    Cybele you are so right about many facets leading to this. Way too many to finger point. Sad state it is.

  34. Lee says:

    Same thing is happening in Austin. I tried going into an Office Depot a couple of days ago, but ended up leaving, because a homeless man was blocking the door, harassing me for money. I didn’t have any money on me, just my credit cards. It was ridiculous. There are now tents & camps everywhere you look. On another note, I saw a homeless man earlier this morning playing a mean fiddle. I couldn’t believe how talented this man was!

  35. Christy says:

    Most of the homeless are mentally ill. Guess which governor of California helped shut down mental hospitals here. Not Jerry Brown. Many of those homeless are former members of the military.

    I used to work in downtown Los Angeles. My husband still does. He also travels to San Francisco about once a month for work that has as big of a problem as la does. So does San Diego. Cybele is right about the temperate climate.

    However until we try to help mentally ill people this isn’t going to change. California has the largest population in the country. It’s going to get its share of homeless.

  36. Christy says:

    NJNP I moved to Los Angeles in 1986. So we just missed each other. The smog has lessened due to stricter environmental regulations that have angered many businesses. The population has probably doubled since you moved and the west side is starting to make plans to look like Manhattan. But try telling construction companies they can’t build giant towers and they respond you’re a communist. It was called communist to even try to put regulations in place to stop pollution.

    I used to rent a studio apartment in San Mateo that had a partial view of the bay. 335 bucks a month. I don’t even want to think what it would cost now if it’s even an apartment anymore or if it has been turned into a condo. Should I argue that it should have been rent controlled? Or never sold to a company that wanted to turn it into condos?

  37. Cybele Moon says:

    agreed Christy and tragic that many are ex military suffering from PTSD etc. Mental illness is a huge factor in all cities dealing with homeless people and drug addictions etc.

    Columbo and Stephen, yes there are issues that need immediate attention like illegal immigration, affordable housing, mental health support etc but just as immediate are the environmental issues liberal politicians are trying to address. Dr. Suzuki, a world wide respected Canadian scientist gave a deadline on how long we might have to halt or reverse the damage our civilization has done to the environment. If this is not addressed then 50 years from now we may all be homeless or our children and grandchildren. One should not negate the other.
    anyway we digress from the issue of LVH and her parole reversal at the hands of liberal politicians and their “supposed” mishandling of any and all the issues!

  38. NoJusticeNoPeace says:

    Sure did just miss each other Christy. Avarice never trickles down no matter how much Saint Ronnie wanted it to be. I worked in Marina Del Rey in banking. Red Onion anyone?

    Anyway, the homeless problem is a combination of many things, just as Cybele noted. One thing I would like to say is many of these men and women are veterans, with a high suicide rate to boot. Tragic.

    People are lost. True leadership shows the way to hope combined with mental health treatment.

    Lee, never been to Austin but have family near Houston. Served at Ft. Bliss in El Paso. Didn’t live up to its name, that’s for sure. Military housing on base; lived near the railroad tracks on corner lot. Had many homeless Mexicans in rags showing up at my door. They’d hop the fencing and there they were. Was hard not to be alarmed with my children about, yet I saw these lost souls as human beings not as vermin. Called the MP’s and they were taken back to the border. Even with feeling the humanity of the situation, my eye was always on my firearm.
    Worst thing was seeing women with their babies in their arms at intersections begging for a dollar.

  39. NoJusticeNoPeace says:

    Source: “National” Interest! LMAO

    Political pendulums swing. Duck if you don’t like it…or illegal redistricting works for the
    Grand Old Pedophile party.

    Honest Q: Why is it Trump’s mouth always looks ready for the next phallic insert?

    My Guess: They don’t costs as much as Bunny’s and Porn Stars.

  40. Cybele Moon says:

    Omg NJNP!! 😀
    Ok National Interest must be a republican rag then.

    ok Columbo has turned this into a rant against Democrats, – those filthy vermin. I hope he ‘s not one of those wearing a sheet who supported Mr. Tantrump,

    Columbo have you ever read any of the history of U.S. policy in Latin american countries? A Century of US intervention in those countries and Republican Theodore Roosevelt who declared it America’s right to intervene helped create the crisis of today.
    It’s easy to want to blame a particular party or person but it’s not that simple.

  41. Cybele Moon says:

    It’s not a debate when two sides don’t listen at all. Ne’er the twain shall meet I guess. But everyone is entitled to their opinion. I see why many people are for Trump. As for Trump being the best president ever, as a non American I can see he certainly is not well respected on the world stage.
    I was a history major in University and like to read many different accounts of events so I have my own view of how things got to the point they are now. However, I don’t see how being a republican or a democrat affects whether any of the Manson family are released or not?!

  42. Stephen Craig says:

    I do agree that many/most of the homeless have some level of mental illness and should be remanded to an institution which can address their needs. My first “real job” was working in a state mental hospital as a ward attendant. During the three years that I worked there, from 1981-1983, inclusive, there was a “push” by the “powers that be” to liquidate as many patients as possible from the hospital environment and place them in group homes in the surrounding communities, and even in NYC which was only around 20 miles south of this particular institution. These group homes were less structured than a traditional hospital setting, and the thinking at the time was that it was unfair to keep these poor souls “locked up” for years/life, and that they deserved to live a more autonomous existence. Now, this may seem like a honorable philosophy, and perhaps it is, but in practice it was/is a disaster. There was very little consideration at that time to the severity of the patient’s condition when considering a placement outside of the hospital. There are, obviously, some patients whose conditions are not that severe that can manage in a less structured environment. However, this initiative was releasing patients with some very serious mental health issues into a public environment. Patients who had struggled in a controlled setting, displaying some of the most aberrant/violent behaviors were now living in an environment with very little oversight, and were, quite frankly, a danger to the community. Of course those making these misguided decisions rarely considered the opinions of those of us who worked daily, sometimes for years, with these patients. They always seemed to know more about these patients than we did, and their “feel good” “pat myself” on the back philosophy trumped practicable judgment. It was truly tragic, and over time we learned, sadly, that many of the patients we had done our best to care for had degenerated in these environments, some acting out violently, victimizing innocent people, and being arrested for a variety of offenses. I’m not sure if this is still occurring today, but when I read about psychiatric hospitals literally being demolished, like the one where I used to work, I can’t help but wonder where are the patients being moved to. It sounds like it’s out on the streets, to fend for themselves, and in the process, and no fault no fault of their own, endanger others. So much for compassion.

  43. Cybele Moon says:

    Stephen that’s a very interesting and compassionate post and I fear true. I think in Canada right now as in the States everyone has “rights” including the mentally ill among us. We are supposed to look on it as any other physical disability I think. We ( in Canada) have our fair share of homelessness, drug addiction and crime too. I am among those ( and I’m not a Scientologist lol who is doesn’t completely trust psychiatric evaluations etc. There are people who have committed a horrendous crime in the past for no apparent reason that have been deemed safe by psychologists to enter back into the public. It’s a gamble. But that is the way our society works and it’s “unconstitutional” to keep mentally ill people locked up forever. There doesn’t seem to be a clear cut answer. Either way they are a financial burden on society as well as an emotional one. It was a huge shock the first time I came across a “tent city” in the quaint little Victorian town where I live. I could see in some of the faces that they weren’t all there. Very sad.

  44. Flip says:


    Donald T. Rump seems to love America pretty much in the same fashion that he seems to love the string of women he has married…take the vows, say some empty words, cheat, cheat, cheat, divorce, take the vows, say some empty words, cheat, cheat, cheat, divorce, take the vows, say the empty words, cheat, cheat, cheat….

    Definitive picture of Donald T. Rump: Leering at the camera while he hugs an American flag…I hope someone had the sense to get that flag dry-cleaned…

    Donald T. Rump cannot teach anyone anything useful about love, patriotism, courage or integrity. As a malignant narcissist, Donald T. Rump appears only capable of loving himself. His concept of freedom appears limited to his personal liberty to screw porn stars while his current wife was busy giving birth to yet another of his many children.

    Donald T. Rump, as the malignant narcissist that he is, mistakenly equates a lack of affection for him and his political views as hatred of America. What a sad, actually tragic, joke.

  45. Cybele Moon says:

    Columbo and Flip,

    I don’t need the news to see how people react around the world. I originally came from the UK area and I know how they feel about him. Also I only need to read his “twits.” He does have a charisma that might appeal to certain masses I agree but he is not much of a deep thinker. He has no concept of the bigger picture, he cannot speak proper English and he has been caught in many lies. He brags about all his so called accomplishments and is a consummate chest thumper. A lot of people bought into Hitler’s rhetoric about greatness and racism also.
    By the way the disengagement policies of Trump may possibly be quite beneficial for the rest of the world- off their backs so to speak. Though I lived in California for awhile I do not hate Republicans and I don’t think all democrat Presidents were wonderful. I don’t agree with how many Democrats are behaving in respect to the political situation either which has seemed to make it worse. I don’t like what Trump stands for I admit and some of his behaviour has been shocking and gross and even childish such as his mocking of a disabled reporter whether he was an annoying democrat or not.
    Trump is a very astute and probably ruthless businessman and he seems to know how to feed into people’s fears very effectively. Finally, I do not hate America, I love our neighbours to the south even if I’m a socialist/communist with no common sense and no idea of what’s going on in the world on a broader scale.

  46. Cybele Moon says:

    PS: Columbo, yes, I agree the economy is doing very well under him.

  47. Flip says:

    Donald T. Rump: Racist, con man, cheat. Thinks that sucking up to tyrants is statesmanship. Thinks that the noise generated by white supremacists at his mob-rallies is reflective of the general opinions of the country. The 40-seat Democratic gain in the House of Representatives in 2018 is actually reflective of the country’s mood—a lot of buyer’s remorse. I certainly get it that Hillary Clinton was unpalatable to a large number of people in 2016 (especially with the supporting activities of T. Rump’s Russian buddies…).

    But, watch out for 2020, T. Rump lovers: The KKK, the American Nazi Party, the Roll-over Republicans, and many other groups of hate-mongers, racists, and T. Rump toadies will be sorely disappointed when the Fake President is booted from office.

  48. Cybele Moon says:

    Flip, I read an analysis of Trump supporters and it appears many are the working poor. This has been a time of confusion and fear ( terrorism etc) and I think Trump came along with his Barnum and Bailey Circus tactics and swayed a lot of people. Few of his supporters have college degrees and many are right wing Christians. I don’t know if the boom in the economy ( which isn’t that huge) is a result of his policies or not but I know many say so. Extremism of any kind is frightening. However, I have to say that there are —- disturbers on both sides. It’s not that our government in Canada or in GB have been that great either. A lot of people think Trudeau is an ass. It will be interesting to see what happens in the elections.

  49. Stephen Craig says:

    NJNP: Thanks for your thought re: my son and his family, and Piggy-backing on what you stated about the cost of living in L.A., I am absolutely dumbfounded on expensive it is to live in what has now become a very dangerous environment. Yes, I know “location, location, location” and living near any major U.S. city will be costly, but damn! My son/daughter-in-law work their asses of to pay their monthly nut to support a home that is priced (by L.A. standards) a bit over a million dollars (and this is a very modest house, which would be priced at a fraction of its cost if it were located in the community in which I live), and yet they have homeless people accosting them at the local bank, and there’s a virtual tent-city in their neighborhood park. People like my son are working so hard to live what is essentially a middle class existence, paying outrageous sums of money for homes, huge tax bills, and this is what they get. It’s insane. But then, California has always been a bit off.

  50. Christy says:

    I think Columbo has gone around the bend. My honest guess is he would have been one of Manson’s followers back in the day. Any person that spouts like a true believer generally needs to be lead around by the nose by their own choice.

  51. Cybele Moon says:

    Whoaa Columbo,
    Ok to clarify, there is nothing wrong with being poor and a hard worker. Yes that is how these two countries were made. – But after I saw what some of your intelligent and well educated and globally informed republicans on facebook were spouting about gays, transgender, boycotting companies who had them in their commercials etc, I said what!!? Then there is the usual spew about the fifth amendment and the right to carry semi automatic weapons and assault rifles – (and which was written in the days of muzzle loaders) and how all scientists are liars and alarmists. Yes I find the average multi armed (shoot first ask questions later) republican to be very well educated, deep thinking, globally and environmentally conscious. I especially admire the KKK – they aren’t going to be told what to do by liberal, race mixers etc and while we are at it lets let the whole Manson clan out of jail. They embodied that idea of armed compounds and zero tolerance for outsiders or those who don’t think as you do.
    C’mon Columbo, just a little more broader reading material and less fake rhetoric. You can do it

  52. Cybele Moon says:

    PS I keep hearing the words communist and socialist in such derogatory fashion.
    To all Christians out there

    Acts2:44: “All who believed were together and had all things in common; 45 they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need.”

    the true meaning of socialim

  53. Cybele Moon says:


  54. NoJusticeNoPeace says:

    Stephen: Totally understand the predicament yours find themselves in. I hear all the time of one of my outlaws adult kid making over $300 grand a year in San Diego. HA! That’s like a tad over minimum wage in poorer states. Location my happy ass. I can barely stomach the burbs, let alone a conglomerate city with nice weather.

    Flip & Christy: Carnival barker is dead on. Sad thing is minions like Columho have blinders on, feed off pod casts and televised hate wrapped up in a red, white and blue dick so they can blame others for their own miserable lives. In other words the truest form of mouth breathing, knuckle dragging pieces of shit Hannity, Limbaugh, Ingram, Bow Tie Boy and Coultergeist can create. Pathetic.

    Anyway, Cybele you keep trying with logic. I think Columbo needs cult intervention. *Bwhahaa Christy*

  55. Cybele Moon says:

    How did we get on this topic anyway!! lol

  56. NoJusticeNoPeace says:

    Diversion! Columbo is on the wrong board lol

  57. NoJusticeNoPeace says:

    Getting back to the site’s topic:

    Saw Oxygen is going to show the wank girls on Aug. 10. I want to know if Gypsy, Red, Blue and Snake were paid blood money.

    Every swinging dick is benefiting from the 50th. Sad.

    VF was stabbed 51 times.

    But hey, who gives a damn.

  58. Christy says:

    They probably were paid. And I wouldn’t be surprised if Red and Blue are still true believers. I didn’t know about this project. But I agree the anniversary will spark a bunch of stories about this.

    Cybele I think we got off track because Columbo, against all reason, thinks a conservative Governor would sign off on LVH’s parole. Then he went down a rabbit hole.

  59. Christy says:

    Columbo, you know darn well what any conservative Governor in this state would do with LVH’s parole if you actually live here. Sure, we may get a surprise but it’s less likely to happen with a law and order conservative than a middle of the road liberal. All you have to do is look at the records of some of republican governors in the state to see this. Especially since the Polly Klass murder. And Newsom may surprise us as well. But Doris Tate wasn’t on the side of liberals here when she fought for keeping LVH in prison now was she?

    And why use this particular case for your cause on a website that is obviously only about the Manson family? You are picking one person out of a crowd a possible paroles and turning it into a screed about both California and U.S. politics. Why?

    Every other poster who has disagreed with both Brown and Newsom may have been harsh but they didn’t bring in a whole laundry list of sins that made them the scourge of the state.

    In my opinion you tried to turn this into some political debate that has nothing to do with Leslie Van Houten or Bruce Davis.

  60. Christy says:

    And I agree with NJNP you need a cult intervention.

  61. Cybele Moon says:

    well said Christy!

  62. Stephen Craig says:

    Perhaps we all need a “cult intervention”!

  63. Cybele Moon says:

    so what you are saying is that all these people (from below the border) that are flocking in by the thousands, and cutting people’s hearts out etc aren’t good people? 🙂

    Although I would agree that a lot of criminals do get into the U.S. as they did after Fidel took over Cuba and previously the mafia with the Italian influx though most Italians or Cubans were law abiding citizens. However in comparing LVH with immigrants, I would venture to say that the majority of these immigrants have not committed a home invasion and stabbed two people to death. Legally entering or not they are probably just seeking a better life for themselves and their families. However I do agree that your government as a whole has to handle this situation better, but also compassionately.

  64. NoJusticeNoPeace says:

    Columbo says:
    July 26, 2019 at 6:07 pm

    I love leaving the libs speechless. There’s nothing else to say after I get through. 😉

    Warning: I’m going to be me. This site has the absolute right to delete and edit me.

    Yeah, that’s what you did you GOP pud guzzlin’ regurgitated piece of racist shit.
    Lil boy go back to your hole and play with your tiny fingers that you so relish.

    Try really hard…I mean squint your hypnotized eyes (like when you imagine a Fox News World and wank to Judge Jeanine and Laura Inkstain) and get the permanent Conservative Corn Cob out of your ass…and try oh do try to do this:

    Do try. Tug harder ya pointless fuck.

    THIS SITE is about the Manson Murders.

    Repeat. Wash. Wash again. Repeat. Steam yourself.

    Nope. Didn’t get rid of the hate stain Faux Noise left. Poor baby.


    “I take your question.”

  65. Cybele Moon says:

    PS: and why is it so important that politicians should “give Leslie the time of day?” She is certainly not the most important political challenge of the day for either party and she was a part of a horrendous crime that has never been forgotten.
    I get being passionate about a cause but there are probably hundreds of prisoners who may have been wrongly convicted and need case reviews. What about them. Who speaks for the not so famous.

  66. Christy says:

    Tomorrow is the 50th anniversary of Gary Hinman’s murder. He would be 84.

  67. Cybele Moon says:

    Obviously you don’t skip over mine. I can see you are very angry. I don’t know why. Trump is in power and you are a republican ( I rather liked Bush for some things) . If there wasn’t another point of view or an opposing party, or if the only party was right wing conservative then it would be a fascist state.

    People are getting a bit frustrated with the angry political tone the thread has taken. Insults are flying.
    But thanks to all for the discussions we did have before that, albeit sometimes passionate. It remains to be seen what the outcome will be.
    I’m happy to be living in Canada now and able to debate etc, but I have had the good fortune to live in some other countries. In spite of our complaints we really have so much more here than a great deal of the rest of the world. It’s not perfect but in the end we are all just humans trying to get by.

  68. Sandy says:

    I hope you are right. I hope none of them receive parole. That would be a slap in the face to all the survivors of the victims. They are still going through hell and it will never end. The families of the victims deserve to see these animals die in prison. Everyone join Debra Tate by signing her petitions to keep these monsters in prison. So what if they were young when they committed the crime…they still knew right from wrong…good from evil, but they didn’t care. GOD may have created them, but they took the path of evil…Satan became their master. Even if these people find God in prison, they should realize that their stay in prison should be for life. If the victims can’t come back, then they shouldn’t be let out.

  69. Cybele Moon says:

    Apparently the new Quentin Tarantino movie has really brought the crime back into the public’s interest and awareness especially for those under 30 who may not know much about it. Has anyone seen it. I haven’t.

  70. Christy says:

    Cybele I haven’t either. It reminds me of the movie “Summer of Sam”. I didn’t watch that either but I get the pull of it. 🙂

  71. Stephen Craig says:

    Greetings Fellow Bloggers and TLB Enthusiasts:

    I’d like to take a moment to note that today marks the 50th anniversary of the criminal case that you and share our thoughts and opinions on this very web-site, (obviously) the Tate-LaBianca murders committed by members of the Charles Manson Family. Whatever our opinions may be about the crimes, the victims, the perpetrators, “justice”, redemption, forgiveness, or the plight of the families/loved ones struggles throughout the years to come to terms with this tragic event, let us not forget that the subject/crimes that we all seem to have much interest in occurred to “real people’; people who were loved and valued by others and who had their hopes and dreams and their futures robbed of them in the most violent and cruelest of ways; and that the moments of violence that I know I sometimes try to imagine in the world of the theoretical actually happened to them, and that they, in their last moments, experienced a “living nightmare”. So, today, I’m taking a moment to remember those who lost their lives 50 years ago, and to also note that, no matter how engaging this case may be, even after all these years, and no matter how my interest may continue to be piqued, that this case revolves around the murders of “real” people, innocent people, whose senseless deaths have caused unimaginable grief to countless others, and for who, there truly will never be any meaningful justice. I sincerely wish that they rest in peace, and my heart continues to mourn for all that their families have endured due to the actions of those who wielded the knives without mercy.

  72. Cybele Moon says:

    well said Stephen- may they all rest in peace!

  73. Cybele Moon says:

    Yes Columbo! on this we agree!!! Blessings! May God grant us all peace!

  74. Cybele Moon says:

    Oh boy Columbo
    yes you do have big problems in California. I think it has been ongoing because for a very long time Calif was considered a sanctuary state. I remember (and I was very young) all the Spanish type architecture and names and I loved it all back then after coming from the misty old bogs of Ireland and Scotland lol. California had a rich Spanish Colonial period ( similar to French culture in Canada?). Now as you say it seems like it has all got out of hand with all the homelessness. It must be very hard to govern as those elected inherited a huge mess. I’d hate to be in their shoes. I guess time will tell and I certainly don’t know anymore as I no longer live there and Canada has a different system.

  75. Cybele Moon says:

    You know what Columbo, I’m backing out of the LVH debate and I certainly can’t speak about the politics of California. Canada is fairly liberal and that dreaded word “socialist.” Pros and cons for all political parties. We don’t have the same problems as you but who knows what is coming.
    After having read a great deal about the sixties and California and that amazing period, I always thought Calif was quite liberal. I always liked it there and the colourful characters that have emerged from that state.
    I read Nikki Meredith’s book. She did put a human face on the Manson women. Whatever people’s gut reactions are and it is apparent people are quite passionate and also have not forgotten the horror of those crimes and the social /psychological story behind it, it will be the court that decides. Whether justice is ever really served for such murders , and obviously many do not think so, the law has it’s application and gave the possibility of parole. I admit that whether I think it just or not.
    It won’t matter that much now at their ages. They are in the last years of their lives and how sad it must be for them too if they are remorseful knowing that they wasted not only other’s lives but their own and they have tried to achieve some meaning in their incarceration. Meredith’s book is very thoughtful and tries to see all points of view. I hope all can find peace, especially the victims’ families. I wish all well on this forum- a great debate etc and I will check in from time to time. And Columbo you have your opinions and passion too which must be respected as well. We don’t walk in each other’s shoes but we should all keep an open mind.

  76. Pimpius says:

    That’s crazy that alls charles really ever wanted to do is hang around at the ranch blasting hot farts in people’s faces all day but you people refused to let him do it.

  77. ghrtt3 says:

    J James Wherever did you get the idea that Americans care about the opinions of non-Americans?

  78. Pimpius says:

    lol it cracks me up when conservatives run their mouths about how liberal politicians are totally incompetent while the ass jack they elected president completely obliterates any sense of moral decency or respect that office once commanded.

  79. Ashley says:

    Is the Manson family still around? Like are there still people currently in the Manson family?

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