LOS ANGELES, Feb. 19 – Calmly and without remorse, Patricia (Katie) Krenwinkel confessed on the witness stand Thursday that she killed two of the seven Tate-LaBianca murder victims.

Her demeanor was warm and friendly at first as she talked about life with Charles Manson and it was entirely matter of fact when she described how she stabbed Abigail Folger and Rosemary LaBianca.

Like Susan Atkins before her, the pale, brown-haired young woman assured the court that the 36-years old Manson was not a leader of the “family” and had had nothing to do with the murders.

“Do you have any remorse for these murders you committed,” asked prosecutor Vincent T. Bugliosi on cross-examination.

“I don’t know what the word means,” she replied.

“Well,” Bugliosi said, “do you have any sorrow for having murdered these people?”

“No,” she said.

“You feel you did the right thing, is that correct?”

“It was the right thing, yes.”

The seven men and five women who must decide whether the four convicted defendants live or die watched intently as “Katie” confessed.

She said the thought to “sidetrack police from Bobby Beausoleil came from a sort of “brain-storming” session on how to free the handsome, young man from charges of murdering musician Gary Hinman.

But, Miss Krenwinkel was less definitive than “Sadie” Atkins on the details of the five murders at the Benedict Canyon home of actress Sharon Tate.

She had taken LSD, she said, and the automobile ride that first evening was “like you’re driving into a monstrous, like it was a monstrous stomach, and you watched like veins and arteries…”

Prompted by the questions of her attorney, Paul Fitzgerald, the young woman recalled arriving at a house, climbing a fence, hearing shots, entering a house and tying a man’s hands.

“It’s all the picture like motion, reaction, it’s hard to explain, trying to describe in detail. I just – I was tying somebody’s hands, a man’s hands, and I remember looking up and by that time —

“And I remember looking up and Sadie was — and Sadie was — was fighting with like with two women, and I — I guess I just got up and ran —and ran over and started fighting with a woman over there.

“And I can remember finally like Sadie was fighting over here, or something, and I was fighting.

”And I had a knife in my hands, and she took off running, and she ran — she ran — she ran out through a back door.

“And I went through that door, and was chasing her on the grass and we started fighting and I stabbed her and I kept stabbing Iker and I can remember after that — I can remember there was a back house out there.”

As she walked away tom the night gown clad woman (Miss Folger) on the lawn, “Katie” said she felt “complete paranoia.”

“What did you feel, sort of, after you stabbed her?” Fitzgerald asked.

“Nothing — I mean, like what is there to describe? What kind of feeling? It was just there, and it’s like it was right.”

When she and the others, “Sadie,” Linda Kasabian, and Charles (Tex) Watson got back to Spahn Ranch that night, the witness said, she and “Tex” went to bed.

On the next evening, Miss Krenwinkel said, she and codefendant Leslie Van Houten, 21, were “tripping” on LSD in the ranch’s bunkhouse when they saw “Sadie” and Linda Kasabian, the state’s key witness.

“We were all talking, and pretty soon — Clem (Steve Grogan) was there and Tex was there — and we all decided, I guess, to take a drive, because we all ended up in the car together.”

Finally, after driving for a long time, Miss Krenwinkel said, the car, driven by Mrs. Kasabian, stopped in front of a house, and “Tex” and Linda went inside.

When Linda came back and said Watson had stayed, “Katie” said she and Miss Van Houten decided to join the lanky Texan, walked up a driveway and entered an open front door of the house.

A man and a woman were sitting on a couch and the man’s hands were tied, she said.

“And we just looked at him, we looked, you know, it was just like there was no thought. We just looked at him.

“And then the woman started talking, started saying something about, oh, something about ‘I will give you something,’ and ‘We won’t call the police, we won’t call the police,’ you know, something like that.”

“Katie” said she and Miss Van Houten took the woman (Rosemary LaBianca) into a bedroom.

“I remember I ran out and I ran to the kitchen and I opened a drawer, and I grabbed out a whole bunch of utensils out of the drawer, and I brought them back in,” the witness said.

“And I had a knife in my hand, and I remember Leslie picked up the knife, and when I came back in, like Leslie, something that she had, I guess put a pil-lowcase on her head, and then she started, she kept saying something about, you know, like ‘I won’t tell the police, just leave,’ or something like that.

“…I started stabbing her.

“…When I went back in the living room, there was this man lying on the floor, and I can remember thinking something about was like moving along with the thought — I was thinking something like: ‘You won’t be sending your son out to war.’

“And I guess I put ‘War’ on the man’s chest.

“And then I guess I had a fork in my hands, and I put it in his stomach.”

Leno LaBianca, 44, wealthy grocer, was found that way next day by his stepson. His head had been hooded and a five-inch knife had been buried in his throat.

Miss Krenwinkel took a towel, touched it to the man’s stomach and wrote on the walls in his blood, she continued.

“Did Charlie Manson order you to commit some murders?” Fitzgerald asked.

“No,” she said.

“Did he have any influence over you in any connection whatsoever with these homicides that you are on trial for?”

“None whatever.”

Bugliosi called the defendant “Katie” and spoke with a soft deadliness as be asked Miss Krenwinkel on cross- examination when she had formed the intent to kill.

“The minute I — it would be — Even that is not the answer to your question, but all it is, to see within a motion and reacting to it.

“I was with a woman that was fighting me. I had a knife in my hands; that was it.”

“You were just killing her in self-defense, were you, Katie?” Bugliosi asked.

“I’m not saying that. You are,” she replied.

“Well, why did you stab her?”

“It was just there to do,” she said.

“Did the thought enter your mind, ‘Katie.’ that Abigail Folger wanted to live just as much as you did?” Bugliosi asked.

“No,” she said, “because I am willing to give up my life.”

Superior Judge Charles J. Older announced that alternate juror Mrs. Victoria Kampman had been excused from jury service.

It was reported that Mrs. Kampman suffered a heart attack and was hospitalized Wednesday at Granada Hills Community Hospital.

She fainted Tuesday when Older ordered her to take the seat of a regular juror who had been excused.

By JOHN KENDALL