Bruce Davis Granted Parole for Sixth Time

Friday, June 28th, 2019

Jun. 28 – Bruce Davis was found suitable for parole at his 32nd parole hearing, held today at the California Men’s Colony in San Luis Obispo.

The parole board’s decision will undergo a 120-day review, after which Governor Gavin Newsom will have 30 days to reverse, modify, affirm or decline to review the decision.

Davis, 76, serving a life term for his role in the 1969 murders of Gary Hinman and Donald “Shorty” Shea, has previously been recommended for parole in the past five consecutive hearings, but has seen all five of those recommendations reversed by the Governor’s office during the executive review process.

Governor Newsom will have until November 25th to weigh in on the decision.

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72 Responses to Bruce Davis Granted Parole for Sixth Time

  1. Jason says:

    Oh God here we go again!

  2. John Luckett says:

    For you people whom feel The Manson Killers should be set free let them come live with you,and your family,and friends.

  3. Christy says:

    Whatever. I doubt idiot boy here is going to do anything unless he has some weird Jesus freak problem. Idiot thought Manson was Jesus so who knows what he thinks now. Religious nutwads can be dangerous.

    As I’ve said before I actually live in SoCal. And not too far from LVH and Krenwinkle. I don’t care if they are released as long as it’s not in my neighborhood. I don’t care if Davis is released either.

    That said if they are kept in prison until their dying day I don’t care either. They made a nasty bed, especially with their threats against the general public. Something people forget. And, whether they like it or not, they still have fans who will try to recreate the family.

  4. NoJusticeNoPeace says:

    Wishful Prediction: Parole reversal issued November 24th.

    Oh wait, that’s what is called cruel and unusual punishment to Manson lubbers.

    These murdering assholios get a parole hearing every year due to their age. Bet their young victims wished they could have lived their lives and aged too.

    Time to pass legislation and put an end to this continual freak show that does nothing but butcher the victims and their families all over again. Give the Governor the power to deny an inmates parole hearing for another 3-5 years after parole reversal. And stop their continual appeal of that reversal.

    Small reprieve to the victims families.

  5. Jason says:

    Good point NJNP…I’m sure the families of the victims are sick and tired of these one year or every two year parole requests. And to me..if they were truly remorseful…they wouldn’t keep appealing the governor’s decision. LVH is now trying to appeal Gov. Newsom decision. That doesn’t seem remorseful to me. I hope Bruce Davis gets a denial. He has the last five times. But I’m sure the Manson fanatics will wage an all out war!

  6. NoJusticeNoPeace says:

    So sorry to interject in your usual rant Columbo but I simply did not read a damn thing you just said. Wanna know why? I knew you would take the obvious sentiment of my post and turned it into your usual political crap.

    I’ll stand by my words/opinion. Don’t like it? Sucks to be you.

    ps: still feeling awfully sorry for ya *lol*

  7. Jason says:

    NJNP..he always turns everything into a political issue regardless.

  8. Jason says:

    If LVH denial is any indication..I would more than likely say that Gov. Newsom will deny Bruce Davis parole but hey Columbo..let’s turn it into a political issue!

  9. Fred Bloggs says:

    Jason says:
    If LVH denial is any indication..I would more than likely say that Gov. Newsom will deny Bruce Davis parole but hey Columbo..let’s turn it into a political issue!

    Come on, Jason…….it is decided by a politician. That makes it a political issue.

    NoJusticeNoPeace says:
    Give the Governor the power to deny an inmates parole hearing for another 3-5 years after parole reversal

    That’s almost funny…..that’s more time than some inmates get when they’re turned down by the board !
    As an aside, what was the time given to both Pat and Tex at their last hearings ?
    Five years. And didn’t Bruce Davis waive his hearing last year ?

    Columbo says:
    hundreds of thousands across his state to turn the once beautiful State of California into a human toilet……pieces of human debris…..people with horrible diseases to come into the state, exposing innocent border patrol agents and citizens to diseases which were wiped out long ago when the state had “responsible” leadership….

    The way you talk about some human beings is highly chilling, Columbo. As far as I’m concerned, the start point of any decency, humanity and civilization is to grant every person at the very least, basic respect, even if you don’t like them or what they do or stand for. I don’t pretend it’s always easy but neither do I convince myself that it’s never possible.

  10. Mrl123 says:

    Gosh Colombo, why don’t you leave and move to Alabama. They love self righteous
    Uneducateds like you 😒

  11. Jason says:

    Columbo..Fred is offended by anything unless it his point of view.

  12. Cybele Moon says:

    He will probably be reversed if the past is any indication.

  13. Lee says:

    Bruce Davis isn’t packing his cardboard box just yet….he knows the chances of getting approved by any governor, regardless of political affiliation would be like hitting a lottety jackpot. These killers want to forget the bloodshed they created. They also want everyone else to forget. That’s not easy to do. They all need to stay put!

  14. NoJusticeNoPeace says:

    From the 2010 Parole hearing:

    Davis states that he had the gun in his possession but did not have it pointed at Hinman as stated in the 1996 Board report. While Davis was standing there with the gun, Manson sliced Hinman’s ear. Davis later took one of Hinman’s cars back to the ranch but claims, ‘Gary was very much alive the last time that I saw him.’ Sometime in August 1969, Manson decided that Donald Shea was a police informant in the Tate-LaBianca murders.

    ** Had a gun, didn’t point it at Hinman (guess he was playing Russian roulette a la JPH) and oh geez, Hinman was very much alive last time he saw him.**

    Davis went along with the three Family members of the Manson Family who had asked Mr. Shea to drive them to get some spare car parts. During the interview, Davis stated he knew that they were going to kill Shea. He said, ‘I knew I wouldn’t do anything physical, but I wanted it to look like I was going along with Manson so that I could maintain his friendship.’

    **Sounds familiar…oh yeah.. LVH’s crap-ass excuses**

    Shea was driving the car when Charles Watson, who was sitting next to Shea, told Shea to pull the car over. At first Shea wouldn’t, but then Watson pulled a knife on Shea. When he pulled over, Steve Grogan, who was sitting behind Shea, hit Shea in the back of the head with a pipe wrench. Watson and Grogan got out of the car, dragged Shea down the hillside into a ravine. Davis remained in the car until Charles Manson drove up in another car, stopped, and went down the hill to join Watson and Grogan.

    **uh huh*

    A few minutes later, Davis went down to where they had the victim. Manson handed Davis a machete and told Davis to cut his head off. Davis dropped the machete. Davis stated that he couldn’t do it, so Manson handed him a knife, and when Davis used — which Davis used to slash the victim’s shoulder. Davis was sure that the victim was dead by the time he cut him. Davis cut the victim because he didn’t want to be disapproved by the Family. Davis stated that it took him years before he was really able to feel remorse for his involvement in the crimes.

    **Sound familiar? He and LVH share the exact hutzpah. Sickening.**

    All sources are this site. http://cielodrive.com/bruce-davis-parole-hearing-2010.php

    I’d like to know why this site does not post the victim’s autopsy reports.

  15. Fred Bloggs says:

    NoJusticeNoPeace says:
    I’d like to know why this site does not post the victim’s autopsy reports

    They’re all easily available online NJ. I think I’ve linked to Rosemary’s in a previous thread.

    Columbo says:
    Fred, I didn’t take you as someone that would be so easily “chilled”

    I DO hope you’re inviting the societal misfits and outright criminals in your country to dinner with you and your family, and offering them a room in your home, indefinitely. Otherwise, you’re not showing them the basic respect you’re so quick to brag about. Or, maybe you’re just another hypocrite….like most people who are quick to judge others and point out their errant ways

    Now you’re just being silly. And it does not become you because you are obviously a lot smarter than that. I would not want a sexual predator around my wife or children for a combination of reasons. That does not mean I view such a person[s] as vermin or debris. The old “Hypocrite charter” has no effect on me because I know what words mean and more importantly, I know how to apply them. Jedi mind tricks won’t work on a Sith !!

    Hope you can warm up soon

    On a lighter note, funny you should say that. We’ve just had the hottest day of the year thus far in the UK !

    Sounds like you’re looking for something to be offended by….as so many people are these days

    I agree with the latter part but not the former. Your comments didn’t offend me. Appalled, yes, offended, nah.

    Jason says:
    Fred is offended by anything unless it his point of view

    I hope you aren’t going to charge me big bucks for being my public spokesperson, Jason ! I’m afraid I am but a pauper. I might even make it as debris one day !!

    Fred is offended by anything unless it his point of view

    Do you actually know what it means to “take offence” or be “offended” by something ? Jokes aside, I can’t remember the last time I did take offence at something. Probably 2005.
    My point of view is my point of view. Few people share it though there will be parts that they do share and part of the joy of contributing to forums like this one is being able to hear a wide variety of different views, learning a bit here and there and arguing a bit here and there. If you haven’t got that by now, you might as well head to Antartica and teach the penguins there about the various periods of classical music.

  16. Jason says:

    Good one Fred. Maybe you can head on over to California and start a petition to get Bruce Davis out of Prison!

  17. Flip says:

    Columbo, you certainly should understand the “high horse” concept. You continually rave about homeless people and immigrants, characterizing them broadly as some type of subhuman “debris”, as if you actually have god-like insight into the hearts and minds of all of these folks. You have even suggested, as a sort of litmus test, that liberals should invite homeless and immigrants freely into their homes as a sign of their good faith. What a goofball! I will even go so far as to assert that our fake POTUS is a human being of some ilk, and not “human debris” or actual vermin. But I certainly would not allow him to visit my home, even if he asked nicely. Recognizing the basic humanity of others does not obligate any of us to indiscriminately apply Columbo-type litmus tests to our beliefs. Getting back to the homeless and immigrant questions–would you please tell us what percentage of these populations either already have, or are likely to, join a Family that conspires to start a bloody race war by butchering innocent people in their homes and leaving behind fake evidence to pin their heinous crimes on black people? Poor Leslie, poor Bruce, etc. ….are they are so obviously superior in every way to the average homeless person or immigrant, now that they have been in prison for 5 decades for the grisly, heartless crimes they committed? Columbo, I get it that you are inflamed with rage every time you see an isolated headline about some criminal activity that arises from the homeless or immigrant population–but the per capita propensity of these folks to commit horrible, shocking murders is clearly much, much, much lower than the percentages you could derive from Manson Family membership.
    prison for most of their lives.

  18. NoJusticeNoPeace says:

    Fred, the reason I asked cielodrive.com about the autopsy reports is because I posted a link to Shea’s autopsy report and cited the source which was another website. Credit due as was. Well, it never posted here so I thought I’d ask why there were no autopsy reports from this site to link as the source. Hell, there is everything on here why not the autopsy reports.

    Just wanted to follow up on my previous post and show Bruce’s handiwork.

  19. NoJusticeNoPeace says:

    Flip,

    Columbo’s the type of person that wears mirrored sun glasses with the mirrors on the inside.

    With crib notes.

    In disappearing/reappearing ink.

    And a neocon-decoder ring.

  20. Flip says:

    I think you are right, NJNP… After reading today about the disgusting Facebook page specifically made by and for Border Guards, on which they apparently have a wonderful time laughing it up with each other about immigrants’ tragic deaths, assorted humilitations in their custody, their own overt racism, and posting filthy graphic mockeries of people like AOC, it became more clear what Columbo apparently believes in.

  21. Fred Bloggs says:

    Columbo says:
    why do you intentionally misconstrue the things I (and others) say, and then turn them around to act holier than thou?

    I bet you didn’t think that on the many occasions I’ve agreed with you !
    For the record, if I ever misconstrue something {and who doesn’t misconstrue at times ?}, it is never intentional. That would be devious and frankly, damned sinister.

    It seems to make you feel good about yourself or like you’re quite the special person

    I feel good about myself regardless. Or would you prefer me not to ?
    I don’t need to shit on another person in order to feel good.

    If you really can’t grasp the gist of my “human debris” statement and the context in which I used it, then you aren’t as intelligent as I gave you credit for

    If I’m not as intelligent as you thought, that’s hardly my fault !

    you had to look at it like I was saying ALL homeless and illegals are pieces of trash, with no redeeming value as human beings

    Actually, I didn’t have to look at it that way. And for the record, I went through all of the statements you’ve made on this topic in the last few threads. The context that the statements are in is that of the ineffectiveness/hypocrisy of the Guv’nor of California in your view. I understand that. But that doesn’t take away a certain view that comes over from you, in regards to the homeless and illegal immigrants. If I’ve got this totally wrong, then fair enough, but having looked over every one of the statements you’ve made on the subject, you do present those groups in a particularly negative way. When you did it the first couple of times, it wasn’t particularly noteworthy because the point you were making was both clear and understandable. It was more about the Guv’nor than anyone. And that’s possibly why no one said anything in response to it. But I’ve noticed a certain edge that has been very much part of the last three threads and it’s also notable that it has been picked up by others than myself. It’s the only thing I’ve ever picked you up on in regards to your view on people in general. In a sense, it’s no different to when I challenged, I think it may have been Kitty, on her statement that all prisoners should forfeit their rights or a number of the other challenges I’ve made over the years. I do find some statements chilling. It doesn’t matter if they’re made by my little brother, my own kids or the Prime Minister. And when I argue from a point of view of trying to be fair in regard to the criminals we speak about here, someone like Pam finds that chilling.

    Would you misconstrue Jesus when He said, “You fools!” to the Pharisees? Would you get on to Him for calling someone a fool, or do you understand that when He said it He meant that the person was acting rashly, without thinking, unwisely, etc.? He was warning them not to “act” foolishly, which is not the same as insulting them by calling them a fool

    Jesus was saying to those people a lot more than “you’re acting rashly.” They were actively opposing God’s intentions and justifying it and here was God among them and they couldn’t recognize him yet they were stopping others who did, while regarding those people as beneath them. When Jesus referred to some of the Pharisees as ‘fools’ he certainly wasn’t insulting them ~ although they often took what he said as insults. But he could call someone anything and he’d be getting to the heart of the matter, meaning a word in its total sense.
    There are 8 different Greek words that are translated into English as fool[s]/foolish/foolishness. They cover a wide scope of meaning, including stupid, morally worthless, unwise, silly, lacking self control, lacking understanding, lousy character, tasteless, deranged, reckless, without reason…….

    You automatically look for ways to attack people so you can lecture them

    Automatically ?
    This is a public forum. Quite a few people contribute to it. There are times when people make statements that are factually inaccurate. There are times when people state conclusions that I heartily disagree with. There are times when people air views that show that they have either wilfully ignored facts or are ignorant of facts that just might lend a different conclusion. And on some occasions, I’ll point that out.
    You view some of my style as attack. You are entitled to that view. Back on March 29th, without any prompting, I specifically said to you:
    “Incidentally, if I’m picking you up on certain points, it’s not that I’m being attacking, even if it sometimes comes across that way. It’s more that the quotes quoted are a jumping off point.”
    As far as I’m concerned, that still stands, Columbo.
    As for lecture, that goes with the territory of commenting on this case. Many of us that have something to say on this case that have looked into matters and perhaps more than scratched the surface could be said at points to lecture. You lecture. And sometimes what comes over is pretty informative.

    And just a suggestion, but if you don’t think you’ve been “offended” in 14 years, you aren’t being intellectually honest with yourself

    I don’t take offence easily. If you do not believe that or have a problem with that, there’s not much I can do about that.
    You know, I’ve been racially abused by some people on TLB sites and it’s there for all to see. See how I deal with it. And other kinds of insults. I deal with it with humour, sarcasm and cogent argument. It’s all Moroccan roll to me.

    Christy says:
    Idiot thought Manson was Jesus

    While a number of people at Spahn thought Charles Manson was Jesus, and while he certainly parrotted Charliespeak, was Bruce Davis one of them ? Has he ever actually said that he thought Manson was Christ ? Can you point me to where he said words to that effect ? It would be interesting to see the context.

  22. Lee says:

    I am related to a border patrol agent and also own property in a border town. I’ve spent over half of my life living down here. You have no idea what our border patrol agents have to deal with on a daily basis. People that don’t live or have any ties in a border town are absolutely clueless on the brutality that happens down here, especially on the Mexican side of the river. You only see one side of it from the media, who loves turning law enforcement into brutes when the cartels are the ones who rob, rape & murder immigrants on a daily basis. If our agents weren’t patrolling the mesquite brush & deserts, do you know how many thousands of people would die of thirst? They save these people’s lives, help deliver babies, protect them from being murdered by smugglers, etc. You are only seeing one side of an issue. If we didn’t have these brave men & women protecting our borders, what would happen? Immigration the right way is one thing, but we have to law & order at the same time. You think this is some sort of new issue? Border towns have always been notorious as being brutal. This notion that all immigrants are criminals is asinine, however we must have law & order regardless of feelings. Just thought I’d throw this out there, even though it has nothing to do with Bruce Davis, who, by the way will not be leaving prison EVER!

  23. NoJusticeNoPeace says:

    Thanks Lee! (in the day, stationed at Ft. Bliss) This board is giving me Columboids. Stick to the freakin’ topic already.

    It’s about the brutality and torture of two human beings. The politics about this is one thing, which most agree on. The rest is crapola diversion a la Col-lusion. (had to)

    Why no autopsy reports on this site; of course at your earliest convenience or at the very least tell me you owe no answer.

  24. NoJusticeNoPeace says:

    Fred said:

    NoJusticeNoPeace says: Give the Governor the power to deny an inmates parole hearing for another 3-5 years after parole reversal

    That’s almost funny…..that’s more time than some inmates get when they’re turned down by the board !
    As an aside, what was the time given to both Pat and Tex at their last hearings ?
    Five years. And didn’t Bruce Davis waive his hearing last year ?

    ——————–

    Your aside: Glad you’re amused. You already know the answer Fred. You never ask a question you’re not already prepared for.

    So you really think Bruce Davis waived his hearing last year out of the goodness of his aging heart?
    Since you “know” the stats: I reverse my opinion and now ask for legislation for the Gov to not only reverse parole, but deny appeal and other parole hearings for 10-15 years, regardless of age.

    Make it until death…doesn’t hurt my feelings one whit.

  25. Christy says:

    Manson and his followers were racist, misogynistic murderous jerks. So, Columbo, I have no problem with the non racist, non misogynistic last two former governors. And if you think for one minute any of the more conservative Republicans we’ve had as governor would sign off on any parole you are high. Newson and Brown WERE their best chance.

    Do you even live in this state? You sound as racist as Manson with your posts. If you live up there in “Jefferson” maybe we can release Tex into your neighborhood.

  26. Christy says:

    By the way Manson had to drag his harem to get venerial shots. The people in California with the worst problem of what was almost irradicated diseases are wealthy anti vaxxers NOT illegals. One on the east coast even suggesting that letting kids die of these diseases is better than vaccines. But you’re going to blame people who aren’t into conspiracy theories.

  27. Christy says:

    Fred, Manson apparently told Davis to turn himself in. He did. Why he would is a mystery to me since he wasn’t as big of a draw as the others. A few years later members of the symbionise liberation army, they kidnapped Patty Hearst and killed a woman during a bank robbery, successfully hid for at least 20 years. I think Davis could have easily done the same if he wanted to. He was 26 at the time, not young. So I think he believed in Manson as Christ.

    I also don’t have any writings to back this up. But the family reminds me in some ways of the Stockholm Syndrome. They were cut off and Manson implied he was Devine. From what I’ve read they tried to find a way to the underground land of milk and honey through some water hole in the Mojave desert. Davis also seems to be the earliest converts to born again Christianity once the family was incarcerated. But, again, I’ve not read where he claimed Manson was Jesus. But his actions, to me, suggest he did.

  28. Christy says:

    Sigh, when I say I don’t have writing to back this up I mean nothing where Davis says he believes Manson was Jesus on record. But there are records of his behavior and his parroting Manson.

    I’m more convinced of his behavior than his blithering. I can understand saying things to keep the rest of the family off my back. But it sounds like he had the ability to disappear if he wanted to.

  29. Jason says:

    I don’t know if any you’ve noticed on the main page…he looks mean in his mugshot!

  30. Fred Bloggs says:

    Jason says:
    I don’t know if any you’ve noticed on the main page…he looks mean in his mugshot!

    I think he looks better than he did in his last shot. He could pass for Spike Milligan’s brother in this one ! He looks more grumpy than mean, like a cantankerous old man that’s just been woken up out of the first sleep he’s had for days, just to take a photo.

    Christy says:
    I’m more convinced of his behavior than his blithering

    I can see where you’re coming from on that. I’m inclined to disagree though, because during the Manson period, both while he was in jail and prior, a number of people were under Charlie’s spell in one way or another, but never believed him to actually be Christ. Whereas, some have come right out and said that’s what they believed and even those that never explicitly said so, some of them spoke in ways which clearly showed that’s what they believed, for example making claims about him dying on the cross 2000 years ago and taking on the pains and sins of the world.
    Bruce was a bit more of a mysterious figure and was the first among the incarcerated murderers other than Tex, to actually make the break from Manson.

  31. Jason says:

    As usual Fred has to dive in and give us his rebuttal!

  32. Jason says:

    He can’t just let it go!

  33. Fred Bloggs says:

    Jason says:
    As usual Fred has to dive in and give us his rebuttal! He can’t just let it go!

    Says the man who at this present moment has more posts on this thread than anyone else {even me !}, actually began the thread and basically has nothing to say except one thing.
    I don’t stop you from saying the little you have to say……..neither would I want you to.

  34. Jason says:

    Keep at it Fred! Your batteries are gonna need recharged!

  35. Jason says:

    This charade is really getting old! YAWN YAWN YAWN! Time to move on!

  36. Christy says:

    I’ve read where a few people who have interacted with Davis have come away with the opinion he’s very dangerous. More so than most of the family. That may be, Jason, where you’re getting that feeling. You’re not alone in it.

    Fred, I think my main reason for thinking Davis thought Manson was Christ was because he turned himself in. Davis was older than most of the male family members. Although that claim is directly from Helter Skelter so maybe Davis had his own reasons. And you’re right, he was the first of the incarcerated members to break with Manson other than Watson. If I remember correctly he turned himself in with one of the women and she served very little time if any. Maybe he was afraid of what she or some of the rest would do. It seems there was lots of talk about killing people who stepped out of line. Yet there’s part of me that has a difficult time believing Davis couldn’t have just disappeared if he wanted to. Much easier in 1970 than it would be now.

  37. Jason Rigne says:

    Thanks Christy. At least somebody agrees!

  38. NoJusticeNoPeace says:

    Jason: Oh yeah, you can still see the sparkle of Helter Skelter in his eyes. Creep factor 10.

    Fred goes deep. I’m a get to the point type person. While my hands are in the early arthritic stage on behalf of Fred’s lengthy posts, he’s at the very least insightful and can make one think beyond the obvious.

    For me, there’s not much more can be said about these murdering criminals and they should never be released.

    Christy: I often wondered if Clem didn’t make the deal and take them to Shea’s murder site, would Davis have led them to his remains? And what about Zero and his fully loaded gun playing Russian roulette? What about Pugh? Is it coincidence that dead bodies are all around Davis and yet he is only in for Hinman and Shea. Seems to me they should have made the others stick; no statute of limitations on murder. Reopen the investigations? Hmm.

  39. Jason says:

    Yeah NJNP…he doesn’t look well…Bruce Davis…he looks like he’s 96 not 76. His eyes are scary.

  40. ghrtt3 says:

    Mrl123 No, we don’t want people like him either. Obviously, you have never been to Alabama and are holding on to old stereotypes. We live in 2019, not 1959.

  41. Christy says:

    You’re welcome Jason 🙂

    That’s an interesting point NJNP. Davis could have led them to Shea I’m sure. But I think it wouldn’t have done as well for him as Clem possibly because of their ages. It would be interesting to see if California tried to reopen the zero case if Governor Newsom approves his release or the case of Pugh but that probably wouldn’t go forward because his death was in London (too bad they never got that ex wife nut of Pugh’s Sandy on that. I’m sure she was part of it). Heh, at the risk of inflaming Columbo I doubt Newsom will approve Davis’s release. But you never know.

  42. Jason says:

    If Leslie got denied I would think Davis would be denied also..

  43. Fred Bloggs says:

    Christy says:
    I’ve read where a few people who have interacted with Davis have come away with the opinion he’s very dangerous. More so than most of the family

    The film maker and author Robert Hendrickson certainly felt that. His mate Mark Ross has recently also said things along those lines. Interestingly, back in November ’69 when LVH was being interviewed by the cops but before her involvement in any of the crimes was known, she was of the opinion that Bruce was all talk and full of hot air.
    The thing with those that opined that Bruce was dangerous always based it on “a feeling” rather than any actual hard evidence that they had either seen themselves or even heard.

    That may be, Jason, where you’re getting that feeling

    I don’t think that’s where he’s getting the feeling !🙂🙂🙂
    I’m of the opinion that you can make absolutely anyone look bad, cruel, mean, unfeeling, inhuman in photos. I’m currently watching a fascinating series on Britain’s first woman prime minister, Margeret Thatcher. Quite a few people in the documentary talk either about how cold she was or how she came across that way because she had trouble showing softer emotions. And the photos they use in the documentary are slanted to bear this out. There are some really scary pictures of her. If you wanted to put forth a case of what a cold and hard person she was, the photos used in the first two episodes alone would appear to back the assertion.
    I’ve felt since 1979 that photos can tell whatever story the protagonist chooses to tell.

    I think my main reason for thinking Davis thought Manson was Christ was because he turned himself in

    It’s logical if it’s true that Manson put out the word that Bruce should turn himself in, but logical doesn’t always mean correct. I’ve never come across Bruce saying anything that could be construed that way, particularly back in the days when he was very much with Charlie. And in particular because he’s been a Christian since 1973~ish, you’d think that a big part of what he would go on to explain would be how he believed in a wrong Christ once but now had found the real one etc. But I’ve not come across any stuff like that. Not to say that he’s never made such statements, just that I’ve never come across such so until I do, I can only go by what I have seen and conclude based on that. I’m particularly interested in the notion that 20th century young people in the enlightened, technologically sophisticated West thought Manson was Jesus {and he even admits implying it}, so I tend to pay major attention to what members of the Family said on the subject.

    Yet there’s part of me that has a difficult time believing Davis couldn’t have just disappeared if he wanted to. Much easier in 1970 than it would be now

    Well, he had disappeared for a while. His story is quite illuminating, if it is actually true:

    PRESIDING COMMISSIONER LABAHN: We talked about the experience of remorse. During this timeframe prior to your arrest there was a lot of publicity, obviously, a lot of coverage in the news media. These were a series of events which were high profile. Were you experiencing remorse during that timeframe prior to your arrest?

    INMATE DAVIS: No, sir.

    PRESIDING COMMISSIONER LABAHN: What emotions were you experiencing during that time which elapsed prior to your arrest?

    INMATE DAVIS: Well, I knew that I and the rest of the members were in big trouble. I knew that and I feared for my future. So I was just…like a person on a sinking ship. I knew the ship was in big trouble but it was the only one I had and I wasn’t going to jump in with the sharks that I thought the family had saved me from. So I wasn’t going to jump the ship, so to speak, right, so I just hung with it. And I said, well, we’ll see what happens. Then in probably November, it was before Thanksgiving 1970 we’re camped out. I was wanted and I’d been wanted since probably April or May and I was on the run, so to speak, camped out in the desert. One morning I woke up and I knew I was going to turn myself in and I couldn’t explain it to myself why in the world I’d want to do that at one level. And then the more practical level was well, this is a purely survival decision because what am I going to do with the next law enforcement officer that recognizes me and the one after that, and the one after that. So it came pretty clear that this was a no-win situation.

    Davis, being a member of the Family, was just so recognizable, wherever he went.

  44. Fred Bloggs says:

    NoJusticeNoPeace says:
    Jason: Oh yeah, you can still see the sparkle of Helter Skelter in his eyes

    Funny thing is that he says he never believed in it and told Manson that. None of the murders he was involved in were actively connected with getting HS started. And the HS rhetoric was strongest in the early days of its appearance ~ and for the first 4 months of that, Davis was out of the country, so he just might be telling the truth. Whereas you can find some HS connected statements from many of the Family members circa ’69, ’70 & ’71 {including all the murderers and in particular, Manson}, can the same be said for Davis ?

    I often wondered if Clem didn’t make the deal and take them to Shea’s murder site, would Davis have led them to his remains?

    I’m not sure that Davis actually knew where Shea was buried because Clem was the one that went back at night and buried Shorty’s body. And 8 years later, even he had problems in locating exactly where the body was. It wasn’t like he just took them straightaway to the site and they found the corpse in 5 minutes.
    If Bruce did know where the body was, one has to wonder exactly why he was not forthcoming about its whereabouts. What did he feel he had to lose ? By that stage, he wasn’t denying involvement in the murder.

    And what about Zero and his fully loaded gun playing Russian roulette?

    It was fairly well established that it was Linda Baldwin in the room with Zero when he was shot {notice I didn’t say “shot himself !”}. Bruce admitted he’d picked up the gun though there were no prints on it {which isn’t in itself unusual} and what I find interesting is that the body was still warm. If anyone would have merited suspicion, it would have been Baldwin but they called the police almost right away which wouldn’t have given them much time to perfect their stories.

  45. Fred Bloggs says:

    NoJusticeNoPeace says:
    What about Pugh?

    I’ve long found it highly bizarre that Davis was connected with Pugh’s death.
    Firstly, Joel Pugh had a recent history of mental health problems. LSD seems to have exacerbated his feelings of hopelessness and despair and he was something of a recluse in the time he was in that hotel in London. I know the hotel well; back in 2015 I went and had a good look at the place. The front of the hotel is on the A4 which is a 6 lane motorway that takes you to Bristol and Wales. It is in clear view of the road. As the entrance, you’d have to walk past the reception to get to any of the rooms and of course you’d have to know which room the person you were visiting was in. The chances of getting in and out undetected are pretty slim. The back room where Pugh was staying runs parallel to a train track and is a lot more hidden in comparison to the front, but the only way you could get in would be through a window and therefore, the person on the inside of the room would have to open it. He died in December and I can tell you, December in London is cold ! You don’t usually keep windows open.
    Bruce Davis would have to have known exactly which room Pugh was in and he would have to have gotten him to open the window and there would likely have been some blood transfer which would have shown some kind of path. The police found no such.
    Furthermore, Joel was aimlessly travelling in Europe with friends when he and a woman decided on a whim to go to London. How in the world would Bruce have known this let alone where he stayed ? There’s no evidence that he ever met Pugh. In fact, there’s no evidence Pugh knew any of the Family except Sandra Good and they’d broken their relationship a year and a half before his death. In fact, the break up between those two coincides with the period Davis was out of the USA circa summer ’68 ~ April ’69.
    Which brings me to the main evidence against the notion that Davis murdered Pugh. Firstly, the London police investigated and the death was ruled a suicide. Unlike with Zero, there’s no reason to doubt this. But more importantly, there’s no record of Davis leaving the USA or entering the UK after he returned from London in April ’69. Now, there are 4 opportunities to be recorded ~ leaving the USA, entering the UK, leaving the UK and re-entering the USA. And not a bean ! His exit {UK} and entries {USA} in April ’69 are recorded. And we’re to believe that somehow he managed to dodge official recording 4 times to and from two of the most efficient, record conscious nations in the universe ? Of course, one could argue that he went on a false passport, but the flaws of that argument are immediately apparent.
    Almost everything in the theory of Davis as the killer of Pugh is soggy and doesn’t stand up and there is nothing other than supposition that is put up in support of him being the murderer. On what is presented you couldn’t even get him arrested, let alone into court, let alone convicted.

  46. Fred Bloggs says:

    NoJusticeNoPeace says:
    Is it coincidence that dead bodies are all around Davis and yet he is only in for Hinman and Shea

    Yes.
    It’s understandable why this turn of events came about. Two days after the Cielo murders, two LASO officers came to LAPD and told them about the Hinman murder and its similarity to Cielo. And LAPD poo~poo’d it. In early November, a guy called Steve Zabriske went to a police station in Portland and told the cops there that a Charlie and a Clem were responsible for the TLB deaths. And the cop there didn’t even mention this in his report. He thought it was nonsense. An LAPD cop went all the way to Independence and asked Manson point blank if he knew anything about the murders and was told ‘no.’ And he didn’t even put it in his report. There was this laissez~faire attitude by the police regarding the Family in regard to murder. The cops investigating Zero’s death didn’t know they were dealing with Manson Family members, even though by that stage, Charlie had been on the suspect list almost a month. But shortly after this, when the story broke and Susan Atkins’ confession and Grand Jury stuff came out, the police realized they’d not kept their eye on the ball. After that, any deaths or attempted deaths were attributed to the Family, even where there was no evidence of their involvement. All that was needed was the thinnest connection ~ Pugh was one. The murder of the brother of Manson’s Dad in Kentucky was another, Randy Starr, the Spahn stunt man was another, Ronald Hughes, the lawyer of LVH was another. Murder, accident…it didn’t matter. The perception was that if there was a connection to a Manson Family member, they were responsible. Bugliosi thought Randy Starr had been murdered but it turned out he died from an ear infection. It was thought Ron Hughes was murdered but he was swept away in a flood etc….
    So Bruce Davis is kind of in a similar situation of deaths all around. Mind you, in his biography on the Beatles, Phillip Norman points out the startling number of deaths of people connected with their story. It happens…..

  47. Fred Bloggs says:

    NoJusticeNoPeace says:
    Seems to me they should have made the others stick; no statute of limitations on murder. Reopen the investigations?

    So how would they have “made the others stick” ? Linda Baldwin said she was with Zero when he died. If it puts anyone in a dodgy position, it would be her.
    How would anyone make anything stick to Davis regarding Joel Pugh’s death in another country where there is no record of Davis entering or exiting ?
    You can’t go pinning stuff on people just because you don’t like them or are suspicious of them. Firstly you at least have to prove they are murders.

    Christy says:
    It would be interesting to see if California tried to reopen the zero case if Governor Newsom approves his release

    The only way that case could be re-opened would be if Bruce came out and said he did it or Linda Baldwin, or Sue Bartell came out and said they did it or one of them said one of the others did it or they all said Cathy Gillies did it. She, of course, can’t come out and say anything anymore, for she is no longer with us.
    Other than one guy telling the reporter, Jerry Cohen, that one of the women shot Zero {and he wasn’t there so how he would know is anyone’s guess}, nothing has ever been put forward to scotch the notion that Zero in a ‘high’ moment, shot himself accidentally, not realizing the gun was fully loaded. It was Mark Ross’ gun and he said he had hidden it in a box in a box so he couldn’t work out how someone had found it.

    too bad they never got that ex wife nut of Pugh’s Sandy on that. I’m sure she was part of it

    They were never married. She’s made that clear and in unrelated circumstances, Joel Pugh’s friends have, too.

    Jason says:
    If Leslie got denied I would think Davis would be denied also..

    You’re probably right on that one.
    Wouldn’t it be funky if the Guv’nor surprised us all on it though ?
    Would that affirm your faith in his fairness or open the door for much criticism from people that think he’s been on the ball regarding LVH and BB ?

  48. Christy says:

    Fred, I haven’t read Davis say he thought Manson was Christ then found he was following a false prophet but it could be he’s said it in parole hearings or with prison therapists or clergy. Out of all the ones still in prison he was the most overlooked I think. Lots have been written about Manson, Tex, Susan and Leslie. Less so about Patricia though her involvement was more than both Susan or Leslie. Next comes Bobby. Clem sort of but since he’s been released not so much anymore and last was Davis. Squeaky got more press than he ever has. So it just may be that unless his hearings or sessions were published in the press most would never hear about it.

    I know that sounds a bit out there but Bugliosi published in his follow up in 1994 that Tex was only beginning to have real remorse due to his friendship with rosemary LaBianca’s daughter and Krenwinkel had taken a nasty swipe at Abigail Folger for being a drug abuser. Both were said to therapists but both became part of the public record. I don’t think Davis’s statements get as much press.

    I am pretty sure if I tried I could find whatever statements he has on record, I think most of us could.

    It also could be he’s never admitted to being held in such sway like that. It’s embarrassing to admit to being hoodwinked and he’s seen how that hasn’t worked for the others either.

  49. Christy says:

    I don’t think the state would reopen Zero’s case unless they thought they had a very good chance of winning a conviction against someone but it’s interesting to think maybe.

    Cold cases get lots of interest (if I ever get to London I’m going on a Jack the Ripper tour). Some LAPD guy has written a book insisting his father killed Elizabeth Short aka The Black Dahlia. Gruesome murder. And his father was an original suspect. But now the guy is claiming his father was the never identified Zodiac killer. You wouldn’t believe how many people are the Zodiac and most of them dead so there’s no way it can be verified. But I do get why people want to know the truth especially if it can exonerate someone.

    In the case of Zero I can see why reopening this would help his surviving relatives. Since I think most of us suspect the playing Russian roulette with a loaded gun is a fairy tale. And, for once, I can understand LVH being upset and scared once she learned of this.

  50. NoJusticeNoPeace says:

    Fred Bloggs says:
    July 8, 2019 at 3:27 am
    NoJusticeNoPeace says:
    Jason: Oh yeah, you can still see the sparkle of Helter Skelter in his eyes
    Funny thing is that he says he never believed in it and told Manson that. None of the murders he was involved in were actively connected with getting HS started. And the HS rhetoric was strongest in the early days of its appearance ~ and for the first 4 months of that, Davis was out of the country, so he just might be telling the truth. Whereas you can find some HS connected statements from many of the Family members circa ’69, ’70 & ’71 {including all the murderers and in particular, Manson}, can the same be said for Davis ?

    My Response: Wrong. He was active and convicted in the Hinman murder. That was the first. Political Piggy in blood. Black Panther paw print in blood. Not to mention his own parole hearing stated he KNEW he was going out to murder Shea (supposed snitch).
    ———————-

    My Response: Clem/Davis and the remains of Shea: The entire point is why didn’t Davis come clean since he had nothing to lose? My guess is he felt it would make him less culpable since geez-a-loo he just wasn’t that involved therefore he didn’t know jack. Well, jack my ass, he’s culpable, he’s just as guilty as all of them.
    ———————–

    Fred Bloggs says:
    July 8, 2019 at 3:29 am
    NoJusticeNoPeace says:
    What about Pugh?

    Well butter my butt and call me biscuit. That’s some amazing info there Fred. Thanks for taking the time, it was an eye opener. (Yo, Jason, see what I mean dude!?)
    —————————–

    Fred Bloggs says:
    July 8, 2019 at 3:33 am
    NoJusticeNoPeace says:
    Is it coincidence that dead bodies are all around Davis and yet he is only in for Hinman and Shea
    Yes.
    Ok Fred, I do not believe in coincidence in particular when it comes to murder and especially when it comes to this case and all peripheral cases. I do recall, memory as it is, that there were statements taking credit for these coincidental murders. This was to the press at the time. So this was pure puffery? I truly doubt it; I’ll listen to my gut on this one. That’s the stick. Ha!

  51. Fred Bloggs says:

    NoJusticeNoPeace says:
    My Response: Wrong. He was active and convicted in the Hinman murder. That was the first. Political Piggy in blood. Black Panther paw print in blood. Not to mention his own parole hearing stated he KNEW he was going out to murder Shea (supposed snitch)

    What I said was not wrong. The murder of Gary Hinman wasn’t one of those designed to kick off Helter Skelter. That Bobby tried ever so hard to make it look like Black people killed Gary shows just how pervasive all of the facets of HS were at that time on the ranch. He had certainly picked up on the “blame blackie” MO.
    But my point was about the extent to which Davis bought into HS. It’s interesting listening to former Family members and what they’ve had to say regarding HS. It would actually be more beneficial for Bruce to say that he bought into it like Pat, Tex and Leslie. But he says the opposite. And I believe him.

    The entire point is why didn’t Davis come clean since he had nothing to lose? My guess is he felt it would make him less culpable since geez-a-loo he just wasn’t that involved therefore he didn’t know jack. Well, jack my ass, he’s culpable, he’s just as guilty as all of them

    He was definitely culpable. No doubt about that, even if he did only cut a man he thought was dead {now, where have we heard that before….}. But his guilt and knowledge of where the body was are two separate subjects. I’m not sure exactly when he actually started acknowledging his participation in Shorty’s murder but whenever it was, he really started coming clean, even down to involving Charles Watson, Bill Vance and Larry Jones. I honestly wonder if he knew exactly where the body was actually buried. Even Susan Atkins knew roughly the vicinity. But ‘roughly’ was no good. The police had spent so long searching that area for Shea’s body. It was known it was there. But it seems only Clem knew exactly where it was.

    Pugh?……That’s some amazing info there

    Much of the credit there really should go to the author, Simon Wells. He has done some extensive research on Joel Pugh although sometimes his actual conclusion is not clear.

    I do not believe in coincidence in particular when it comes to murder and especially when it comes to this case and all peripheral cases

    I can understand that. But I’m careful not to build the Family into more than they were.
    Or less, for that matter.

    I do recall, memory as it is, that there were statements taking credit for these coincidental murders. This was to the press at the time

    There have been contradictory statements and moments where certain people claimed that this murder and that murder happened. Susan Atkins for instance, did that with her “more and more before….” statement to Virginia Graham. As did Vern Plumlee claiming that he’d seen Charlie Manson shoot a man in the head with a .45 in Death Valley and then the Beach Boy Mike Love, claiming that Dennis Wilson had seen Charlie shoot a man dead. Only the Mike Love one was to the press and that was over 40 years later. I think Sandra Good is supposed to have told someone the Family had committed 35 murders, which is the number Manson told Juan Flynn, a couple of days after the TLB murders.
    Not one of these extraneous deaths have ever been verified or substantiated. Whereas the ones for which they were all put away {plus that of Bernard Crowe who didn’t actually die, though they all thought he had} had plenty of evidence, and evidence that could be verified, particularly of the verbal kind.
    Some Family members were heard to brag about a ‘hit’ in London, but that was the Family all over. Bullshitting about things that were actually demonstrably false. The only reason Bruce was able to get to London in the earlier part of ’69 or latter part of ’68 was because his Dad had died and left him a couple of thousand dollars. By the time they were all arrested at Barker in October ’69, they were in no condition to be sending anyone to London, let alone to find some guy that they didn’t know who had decided to go there on a whim.

  52. Sunny says:

    Good Lord, there is a lot of passion on here for a 50-year-old murder. I wonder if any of you were around when it happened? Did anyone on here know Gary Hinman or Shorty Shea personally? My understanding is the families of the victims have all passed away, except for Debra Tate and Janet Parent and some younger ones that were very small or not yet born when all this happened. Let Bruce out. He’s 76. It’s not like he’s going to go climb Mount Everest or go surfing or live life to the fullest. He’s going to sit around and take up space just like he does in prison. Wouldn’t want to waste any more of those precious “taxpayer dollars,” would we? Wink wink.

  53. Fred Bloggs says:

    Sunny says:
    there is a lot of passion on here for a 50-year-old murder

    Well, people are passionate or interested or deep about many events from the past, be it the slave trade, colonialism, world war two, the Nazi period, the spread of communism, the history of football, home recording, the Beatles……..
    Time is no barrier to interest and continuing thoughts.

    I wonder if any of you were around when it happened?

    If you mean were we alive, well, I was 6 at the time and in Birmingham, England. Earlier that day {Aug 8th} up in London, the Beatles shot the cover for “Abbey Road.” I haven’t got a clue what I was doing !

  54. Sunny says:

    Fred Bloggs, I appreciate that, but this was not a historical event. It was just a bunch of weirdo druggies killing people. As for being around, I did mean alive and close enough to the event and/or the victims to be personally impacted by it.

  55. NoJusticeNoPeace says:

    Were you around then Sunny? Alive and beating some Manson meat as it were? I bet you have no gilt.

    Do tell.

    As if it freakin’ matters. It was historical. It impacted society, which was part of the motive. I don’t give two shits if you were personally impacted or not; diversion at will.

    Such a thing as “The People” vs.

    Maybe you should think about that instead of poor Brucie boy being able to surf, climb mountains or live his life to his fullest and his victims families are too dead to give a victims impact statement.

    His choice to murder and his consequence is toe tag parole.

  56. NoJusticeNoPeace says:

    Yo Fred,

    Reading that link, it is amazing!

    Still say you’re wrong lol

  57. Sunny says:

    NJNP, don’t you ever speak to me that way again. You are extremely rude and disrespectful. I’m not so sure that you haven’t murdered anyone with that attitude. Grow up and get a life. People are murdered every day. It’s unfortunate, but it’s reality. I think you have some very serious mental and emotional issues.

  58. NoJusticeNoPeace says:

    NoJusticeNoPeace says:
    July 16, 2019 at 8:17 pm

    Were you around then Sunny? Alive and beating some Manson meat as it were? I bet you have no gilt.

    Do tell.

    As if it freakin’ matters. It was historical. It impacted society, which was part of the motive. I don’t give two shits if you were personally impacted or not; diversion at will.

    Such a thing as “The People” vs.

    Maybe you should think about that instead of poor Brucie boy being able to surf, climb mountains or live his life to his fullest and his victims families are too dead to give a victims impact statement.

    His choice to murder and his consequence is toe tag parole.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Yep. Lil Sunny can’t answer a freaking question, but damn sure can accuse anyone asking one as if they have a mental problem.

    So, “Sunny” …

    ANSWER WHAT YOU ASKED FRED.

    Were you around then Sunny? Alive and beating some Manson meat as it were? I be you have no GILT. (missed that meaning)

    But I’ll be biting my nails as so worried about how I speak that way again.

    Or was that a threat?

    Locked. Loaded. Florida.

  59. Fred Bloggs says:

    Sunny says:
    July 16, 2019 at 4:53 pm

    this was not a historical event. It was just a bunch of weirdo druggies killing people

    The fact that we are still debating and discussing it 50 years on most definitely makes it historical. In fact, many, particularly in California, will tell you that something shifted in society after the the Manson case came to light. That shift never went away ~ that makes its impact of real historical importance.

    As for being around, I did mean alive and close enough to the event and/or the victims to be personally impacted by it

    No, I was not and am not personally impacted by it. But I’m not personally impacted by the overwhelming majority of things that happen on earth. That doesn’t mean I can’t have an interest though.

  60. Christy says:

    Sunny I was an eight year old in the San Francisco Bay Area at that time. But I moved to the Los Angeles metro area in 1986. I also used to work in El Monte the hometown of Steven Parent. Believe me that case is embedded in this area. And it was as big as the OJ case 20+ years later. The entire country followed it.

    It introduced a few things people weren’t used to like home invasions and cults (the cult angle was on bright display less than 10 years later with the mass suicide in Guyana). One of Manson’s followers tried to assassinate a President about 10 years after the JFK assassination. It is and remains a historical event for Americans.

  61. Sunny says:

    NJNP, you are an angry, unstable person. Get some psychiatric help.

  62. Sunny says:

    Thanks, Fred. I have an interest too. That’s why I’m here. But I don’t have an unhealthy obsession with it. I’m interested in other cases as well. Nothing wrong with an interest. It’s a fascinating and intriguing story, but calling it historical is a bit much.

  63. NoJusticeNoPeace says:

    Peanuts and the yapping teacher and her wah wah-wah wah wah voice?

    That’s Sunny.

  64. Sunny says:

    NJNP, you don’t know me. Get on medication and come back to me in a respectful manner and perhaps we can have a rational dialog. Until then, I care not to engage with you any further.

  65. Christy says:

    Bugliosi’s book caused a lots of true crime books. Sort of like Lauren Bacall and Shelly Winter’s did with autobiography. True crime was already there but that book sort of sent into overdrive. Just like the OJ trial spawned a tv channel.

    I think, if nothing else, Squeaky Fromm’s lame potshot at Gerald Ford will keep the Manson Family in history books after I’ve died. Squeaky isn’t going to be remembered like Princip. But I wonder how many know who who I’m talking about here.

  66. NoJusticeNoPeace says:

    Sunny says:
    July 18, 2019 at 4:25 pm

    NJNP, you don’t know me. Get on medication and come back to me in a respectful manner and perhaps we can have a rational dialog. Until then, I care not to engage with you any further.

    -Give a shit moment……………………………………………………..

    Sorry. Didn’t happen.

  67. Sunny says:

    NJNP, I didn’t expect anything different. You think you’re cute, but you look like an ass to me. Now I’ll let you get the last word in.

  68. NoJusticeNoPeace says:

    Thanks!

  69. Peter says:

    I suspect that Bruce is the only remaining Family Member that knows what was really going on behind the scenes. I wish he would write a book, but it would jeopardize any chance he had of getting out. Maybe if he becomes terminally ill he would come clean.

  70. Cybele Moon says:

    hey, weighing in a bit late.
    Sunny! Yes it is historical. For one thing it brought an era of so called peace and love to a horrifying conclusion and ending, socially speaking. It is still talked and written about to this day. No one can talk about that decade of social change without that ending. Also I’m sure it remains one of the most famous legal cases of the last century along with Leopold and Loeb, the Lindberg kidnapping and OJ Simpson. That’s history.

    I think Bruce should remain where he is personally.

    Maybe we all need medication lol.

  71. Scrappylittleone says:

    I don’t care if they’re released.I don’t care of they’re ket til their dying day.I don’t care where they live JUST so it’s not in my neighborhood & BLAH BLAH BLAH.THAT’S THE PROBLEM PEOPLE LACK EMAPTHY FOR HUMANITY & THAT GETS YOU THE MANSON FAMILY.

  72. Kenneth Hartsock says:

    Whether Governor Newsom Grants Davis Parole or not, one thing is for sure: It is highly unlikely that a 76 year old man is going harm anyone. So if denied is denied parole on the basis that he “is a continuing threat to society,” – that is just plain bullshit. He has spent years living a Christian life. Studying and teaching the word of God. He reportedly has in the past, turned over all correspondence from Manson to the authorities. That sounds like a man who is trying to do the right thing.

    Please keep in mind this one thing; Davis has not been granted parole 6 times for nothing.

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